For me, it was that the Internet never forgets and that you should never enter your real name. In my opinion, both of these rules are now completely ignored.
Don’t pick up the phone if someone is online… I’m old
I can’t remember. Did it make pterodactyl noises or is that just faxes?
The modem made noises when connecting, but if someone picked up the phone, your internet would just stop working and they’d get their dial tone.
Now dot matrix printers, those were real pterodactyl sounds.
Modems can still make noise. As recently as five years ago I still had to work with modems. A lot of them now have silent mode though
Modems also make noises when connected. However, the noise of them connecting is more distinctive because they go through a handshake where you can hear distinct tones, but then negotiate a higher baud rate involving modulation of many different frequencies, at which point to the human ear it is indistinguishable from white noise (a sort of loud hissing). If you pick up the phone while the modem is connected at a higher baud rate (post the handshake), you’ll hear the hissing, and then eventually you picking up the phone will have caused too many errors for the connection to be sustained (due to introducing noise on the line), causing both ends to hang up. You’ll then hear the normal tone you hear when the called party has hung up the line.
- Squeee
- Whale song
- Chunkachunks
- Teeth grinder
- Buckbuckbuck
- They’re here
Ah, another Poltergeist fan, I see. :p
Decades ago, I saw a (one of many) "you might be a geek / nerd if … " list (referencing “you might be a redneck”). As of this moment, the only one I remember is “you leave the modem speaker on after connecting because you think it sounds like the ocean - the perfect sound for surfing the web!”
oh yes it made the noise.
You come from a nice family. My family disconnected each other all the time
I used to get hella annoyed that my mom would be online all afternoon so I would pick up the phone and blow into it for a few seconds until I heard AOL man say “Goodbye.”
That, together with: I’m online, watch out for the ca… “No carrier”
I’m not that old but was dealing with that in the mid-2000s before my parents finally switched.
Dont believe anyone on the internet.
I don’t believe you
I don’t believe you
I don’t believe that you don’t believe me
That’s my favorite Charlemagne quote
Don’t feed the trolls.
Of course nowadays its nearly impossible to tell whos spouting racial slurs to get folks mad and whos doing it because they’re just an asshole.
Don’t feed the AI
Just assume almost everybody is an asshole online and you can’t be wrong. Because anonymity has granted them that capability.
The fact that people being assholes with their real names on Facebook tells me, anonymity has nothing to do with it.
Facebook has no anonymity though. So it’s different. You are sole responsible for who you allow yourself to add that now may know your real name.
I think people being assholes on FB with their real names makes filtering a hell of a lot easier.
More recently, this behaviour is known as “driving engagement”
I remember when it was just funny edgy humor that was clearly satirical for the most part because a lot of us were just dumb kids. It was abrasive and stupid but you had this feeling everyone was in on the joke.
But bizarre satire has turned to deeply held conviction.
I’m not just sad that the mean spirited trolling persists, but that it’s gotten more sincere and often must be taken seriously. :(
When you share something cool, link back to the original creator or where you found it from.
I’d argue this is the opposite of what was asked.
In the early days, no one would post sources or attribute “stuff” to anyone. We’d all just share what we thought were cool pictures.
Now, everyone gets mad when you dont post the name of the artist and their socials.
What people are really mad about us the fact that artists are (and always have been) starving. We throw so much food away, let the artists cook for fucks sake.
I would posit a big part of this is because early-net days were primarily for just socializing and sharing cool stuff (heck yeah, I miss it.) Artists probably didn’t make a majority of their living through the 'net. If something was shared it was likely just “I think this is cool, folks!”
Nowadays, to say the Internet is heavily commercialized would be a massive understatement. Every little interaction is monetized. Many people make their entire living through e-commerce. It’s just how things went.
Meanwhile you have a billion faceless sandfleas with repost-botfarms trying to hustle cash with the stupidest methods possible.
You’ll see entire channels where animations or paintings or whatever are circulated on socials like youtube, twitter, or tiktok with the artist tag conveniently cropped out (if there was one).
Some are outright stealing the work for profit (selling tshirts or something), while others are just using it to farm clicks, which is also a route to profit.
The artist who made the work is cheated, perhaps unaware, as some click-grifter gets all the attention. And that sucks. :( As an artist myself, I try to make sure I share the sources for stuff now, because recognition is a form of thanks, at the very least.
I miss the sharing internet…the attention economy has basically turned the internet into a sociological illustration of “The paperclip apocalypse”. :(
This might be more of a blogosphere-era thing I guess. Even when most people blogging did it for pleasure rather than work, it was always considered polite to “hat tip” (h/t) the source of a given link, if you happened to find it on someone else’s site.
Social media killed online aliases and I have a hard time deciding if we’re all worse for it.
Instinctively I still stick by that, though, as you can tell by my anonymous profile with no bio, but when I volunteer any amount of personal info these days people are often confused that I’m not sharing openly who I am or where I’m from. Every time someone does that it weirds me out because in the 90s telling (and asking) people those things would have been such a suspicious, sketchy move.
in the 90s telling (and asking) people those things would have been such a suspicious, sketchy move.
a/s/l?
Aight, I put on my robe and wizard’s hat.
RIP bloodninja.
We were all 18/f/cal come on man…
Haha true
Facebook tried that shit with me. Ban until I sent verification of my ID so I sent a paystub photoshopped (badly) with my alias, it was accepted and it’s still there even though I left FB years ago.
I wish they would ban me. I haven’t logged in in over 15 years and even block several of their servers, and yet I still get mails that someone in there commented on something.
Oh I get zero notifications, but the only real reason I haven’t taken it down is that my posts from IG are cross posted there for the business, which I have to have to advertise our specials because of the boomers that use it daily.
Can you not unsubscribe?
Shit, I provide every single service with randomly generated data, unless legally required. Just doing my part to pollute the training day.
Every time someone does that it weirds me out because in the 90s telling (and asking) people those things would have been such a suspicious, sketchy move.
And now it’s come 180 in that some see it as a red flag if you don’t give up that information. I had someone on a different social media site accuse me of being a bot because I wouldn’t give up the specific town I’m from. I’ve seen it happen to others too. It is both fascinating and insane how viewpoints have changed regarding identifying yourself online.
Not only telling your real name, you weren’t supposed to tell your real birthday, give away your phone number or where you lived, even just saying the city was a bit much. So filling in those things like on Facebook or LinkedIn feels very wrong but it would be even more wrong to have fake info there. So my new rule is, only add ppl I know irl to places I use my real info and everything else can I add anyone to.
Ugh, the world of “branded people.” Everything is like “Add a picture of yourself, or you won’t seem trustworthy!”
Yeesh. Some artists and such can make it using a pseudonym, but it’s rare in more professional circles…but now if you hope to be taken seriously as a professional, you’re expected to put your real super genuine self out there.
…and we get news stories of people being harassed and doxxed literally to death. It’s crazy…
Yes that picture thing happened multiple times at my old job. They kept pestering me about give them a pic to add to the “about us” page and I had to use my face in all channels (jira, slack email and so on) because “otherwise I can’t tell who is who”… my current job handled that much better, they asked for a pic (if I wanted to) to be used as reference for an artist (always the same) to make an avatar and that is now the avatar my coworkers and I use in presentations, systems, emails, webpages anything, we never use real image of our coworkers unless the person wish for it.
When reading a long text, disconnect from the internet as soon as it has loaded so you don’t pay for the time you spend reading.
I remember doing that to read and write my answers in forums. Then someone had already posted the same comment or a better version.
(Except other dogs, and we meet every night on irc:#awoo)
Me too, thanks.
This shit’s still true. I bet you’re taking me seriously as you read this and everything.
I remember being taught in school to apply source criticism, and that seems to have largely died as a concept.
This was back in the early 2000s…
Don’t share your personal information online.
Yeah that’s definitely not being followed anymore.
“Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.” -Abraham Lincoln
Social media, a gorilla getting shot, two US elections, and GenAI later, we have completely fallen off this one simple rule.
The amount of boomer bait on Facebook is staggering. The amount of Boomers falling for obviously AI-generated shite even moreso.
The amount of millennials falling for boomer bait is also staggering
I personally have the opposite issue. Things often sound way too much like satire these days when they get referenced or pop up in memes, then I find a reputable article talking about it. Everything sounds like !nottheonion@lemmy.world
I was taught to cite websites by using the date the page was updated. Now I’m lucky if web pages even have a date on them.
Oh, that one’s easy! Just use the internet archivenevermind.
Either that, or the page says that it’s been updated in the last month, but the content is about how to connect to the World Wide Web ‘(WWW)’ with a free AOL floppy disc
You could always use the Page Information to get the Created and Last updated from the web server.
Oh, wait. All the pages are dynamically generated,.so both of those are dated now. 😥
Don’t give your credit card details over the internet.
Nowadays people have them saved in their damn browser for convenience.
Credit card usually isn’t so bad. It’s usually pretty easy to dispute charges etc, debit card on the other hand…no way that’s getting saved
Have you had any experience with that? I keep hearing it, but usage of a credit card is expensive af
It’s only expensive if you don’t pay it in full every month. I’ve had my credit card for years and have paid $0.00 total for it whilst it generates at least 1% cash back or more depending on where used. Not much, but it adds up and makes it beneficial.
I feel like a lot of small shops now (especially restaurants and convenience stores) charge for using a credit card in a manner that wipes out any benefit from “cash back rewards”.
To me the bigger benefit is that a card that is opened many years ago (pair on time) gets you a better credit score. This will net you much better deals throughout life for major purchases like a car or home (if you are lucky enough to still be able to afford one).
Only time I’ve had fraudulent charges was when I was 18 or so and hadn’t yet got my first line of credit. They disputed the charges normally and froze the account. It did suck not having much money but I also was living at home still so I just avoided spending money for a few days until it all finished processing
I have. My bank did a chargeback like they would if it was a credit card. I was told it would’ve been a lot harder to get my money back if my PIN was used. But, I’ve only seen that option available for in-person purchaees.
I’m a faithful follower of never using your real name in social parts of the internet. We don’t need to know and we don’t want to know. The only ones who would want to know are scammers or people wanting to give you a shitty time. I only use my real name online for people and places in where it’s required like talking to agents from my bank, insurance .etc And very few friends know my real name through FB and the circle anyways.
Don’t send nudes online to anybody. I know of some communities where people happily are flaunting it one moment then they make a post later whining about them being exploited or that they thought they were crafty hiding the nudes from someone they’re married with. They delete it but they’re too naive to think that what’s already out there, has most likely been saved by hundreds by now, so you’re fucked either way.
Another is, is that if you want to be understood, then you need to use proper spelling and grammar. I miss the days when you got kicked at because you used ‘u’ in replacement of ‘you’. It’s just two fucking extra letters you lazy asshole. These days saying stupid shit like; ‘yah fr u tha fam’ is somehow a complete sentence. No, I’m going to give you shit for it and if you want me to bother caring with what you have to say, fucking make some sense. I don’t even get offended by insults when they’re poorly spelled, it just tells me what kind of an inept moron you are.
I’m with you on the no real names, no nudes. “Don’t dox yourself” was the norm pre-Myspace. Facebook made it almost fashionable to do so.
I’m fine with shorthand and colloquialisms, especially in the era of the smartphone and their lack of physical keyboards.
It made sense with t9 texting. Smartphones have easy to use keyboards and autocorrect. No reason to still type like you have to make 7 or 8 key presses to type “you.”
Facebook made it almost fashionable to do so.
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Zuck: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard just ask
Zuck: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns
Friend: what!? how’d you manage that one?
Zuck: people just submitted it
Zuck: i don’t know why
Zuck: they “trust me”
Zuck: dumb fucks
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I’m fine with shorthand and colloquialisms, especially in the era of the smartphone and their lack of physical keyboards.
It wasn’t even cool once t9 emulation came in. But writing with no regard for the audience, that’s apparently eternal.
Put in the effort or eat the down-votes.
“Proper spelling and grammar” according to whom? Is the example you gave incorrect, or just a different dialect of English? AAVE, for example, often gets delegitimized because black people are supposedly less educated, can’t speak “properly”, whatever. But the thing about that is AAVE has its own unique grammar quirks, like habitual “be” as in “I be working”.
As well, my own dialect has quirks that sound wrong to American ears, (such as the very start of this sentence) but if you try and correct me on them I will politely tell you to fuck an icicle.
I don’t care what your skin color is and you’re the one bringing it up. Anybody from all walks of an ethnic background can possess the same levels of less intelligence with potential to sound like that.
You know, just because you tried sounding tough at the end, I’m going to be a deliberate ass by saying - fix your dialect. It’s “I am working” not “I be working”.
It’s “I am working” not “I be working”.
From how it’s used and understood, it’s a lot closer to, “I am in a situation where I find myself working from time to time”. “I am working” suggests you’re doing it right now, “I be working” does not. This example is a unique, condensed way to convey a very specific idea that your idea of “proper English” cannot convey without a boatload of extra words.
If that’s still bothersome to you, well, I guess have fun kicking that proverbial land-crawling fish back into the sea if that’s where you get your jollies. IMO some prescriptivism is okay to get people on the same page, but the moment you use it as a cudgel to beat people who are very clearly already being understood, you’re being a prude.
The fact that dialects of AAVE can convey meaning in a more complex manner than other dialects of English would never cross this genius’ mind.
No, any differences exhibited in AAVE must be incorrect and spoken by the daft /s
“I be working” sounds better though. :p
You’re ascribing traits common to AAVE as being associated with lesser intelligence. Think about what that says about you. And that’s not even my dialect, dipshit.
I don’t think people really do that anymore, people got faster typing and autocorrect got good
I do use my real name in voice chats provided I’ve known the person for a few days at least, I hate being called by my username in voice
yo u needa chillax bro lol
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Yeah, for real. You’re the family.
yah fr u tha fam
The only abbreviations in that are fr and u. Fam is slang for family, not a text only abbreviation. “Tha” is just a transcription of how someone may say “the”. Like “da bomb”. “Yah” is either a typo of “yeah” or the same as “tha”. This feels more like an insult against people transcribing vernacular literally. Are you racist?
Yes I am racist. I’m racist to stupid fucks who deliberately twist contexts around to fit a projected narrative of theirs, you asshole.
You’re the one bringing the race into this, not me. This is simply a response. Let me remind you, since your braincells are in single digits, that this is a response to something you brought into the discussion that wasn’t otherwise warranted. Get a fucking clue.
Did you watch the clip? It’s clearly tongue in cheek. Way to self report though, jeez.
I’m a faithful follower of never using your real name in social parts of the internet. We don’t need to know and we don’t want to know.
Corollary: there are no girls on the Internet. The simplest way to promote gender equality is to not disclose gender in arbitrary conversation or in the profile. If you still do in an anonymous forum, you are likely trying to take advantage of privileges that the patriarchal societal structure offers you in that situation, and in doing so you are upholding it.
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But then nobody can use gendered neopronouns.
Which IMO is a good thing. I don’t mind people having their own identity, but if nobody tracks pronouns (including traditional pronouns) then life becomes easier for everyone and there’s less drama. We need fewer pronouns, not more.
That sounds like something an agender person who just assumed they were cis because they went with the flow and never much thought about it would say.
It’s just something a person who wants to see everyone as a unique individual instead of putting them in a box says. Doesn’t matter if it’s about skin color, gender, age, etc. Make it okay to be somewhere vague on a multidimensional spectrum instead of having to make everything black or white. In the end none of these factors even matter when we’re discussing which Bionicle is best.
No, I’m not “assuming I’m cis”. I’m trying not to assume, period. I don’t need a label to know who I’m attracted to and it’s none of your business either.
Nah, u wrong fo dat last part homie. Maybe if u tryna have an intellectual discussion then u can write in full n shi. But if it’s just a casual convo, then write casual
20 years ago, if someone said ‘u’ for ‘you’ then I assumed they were young. These days if I see someone use ‘u’ for ‘you’ I assume they are 60+.
These days if I see someone use ‘u’ for ‘you’ I assume they are 60+.
Nah. Indolence knows no cohort.
Don’t top post.
twitter built itself on doing this the most nonsensical and annoying way possible.
I’ve never used Twitter and every time I see a post with like… the original comment in the middle, a reply on top, and a reply again? On bottom? I’m like what the fuck is even how
Especially with quote retweets that are screenshots of threads with the quote retweets itself having a thread.
Gmail is super annoying at this, there is no way to automatically turn this off. I just have to delete the ellipsis every damn time
I like to think I’m reasonably intelligent but whatever the heck Gmail does with its reply “conversation” order absolutely bamboozles me. It decides to just hide messages in the middle seemingly at random too, and gives them all reply buttons.
Agh!
I think it’s fine for email, better even. Unless there’s a list of questions or something. In forums and lemmy I don’t see it at all.
Breaking the rules to demonstrate how this looks dumb
Don’t top post.
Exception: when the quoted thing is the punchline
The thing that grinds my gears
WARNING: I’m not actually a quotation tho my
character says that is what I am for in the specification & if you check my HTML markup I am a<blockquote>which also has a spec saying I must quote a sourceMarkdown-itis is ruining semantics on the web just ’cause it doesn’t support callouts like a proper lightweight markup syntax for documentation, technical writing, & blogging. It is the wrong tool for these mediums but users forgo caring about semantics for the familar not even understand their tools or their outputs.
… except when it’s a forwarded convo and then it’s okay, as per 1855.
And then when is a conversation NOT a comment or update to something you’ve forwarded back? The answer is never.
So it’s all good.
Ew. Who does that?
The same people who carelessly hit “reply all”, I imagine. Lol
Came here to say that. It actually predates common internet usage - Fidonet was a much bigger thing through the 80s and early 90s than emails, and BBS forums used it to distribute messages.
Properly quote only what you are replying to. Quote a line, reply to it. Repeat on multiple points.
Then wait a few days for a reply, of course, unless they were dialling into the same BBS.
Now we have boards like this that do a pretty good job about displaying context and quoting is less needed.
You should use the Internet to get info out of it, not put your info there. If you do want to put info, it should never be traceable to you.
I just don’t get why people want so much of their life online…
It went from “don’t post pictures of yourself or your real name online because you might get strangers’ attention” to everyone trying to be their own version of a Max Headroom talking head to try to get the attention of all the strangers. Selfies, video selfies, talking head videos, reaction videos… all garbage.
Sometimes they do serve a purpose. While I don’t see the point of a “reactions” only YouTube channel since they get repetitive. Sometimes you wonder how people took a certain episode of your childhood anime or some episode with an interesting plot line like the red wedding. With that said, channels with no commentary and all “uh hu” or “that’s right” as the most useful additions from the “hosts” are trash.
Yeah a commentary video with a creator of a movie or show is real content related to the other content, not the same as a random person’s “look at me” video
