Sounds like trouble for Newpipe, Sponsorblock, etc…
I will never tolerate ads. I will give up YouTube before I watch ads.
Every time I see a youtuber cross post to peertube it makese happy.
I can tolerate ads as long as it’s helping the creators and isn’t used to make the platform worse. The first condition is only sometimes satisfied and the 2nd is being straight up violated.
If they can fix how garbage search is and put the dislike count back, I’ll happily pay for premium as a thank you for making a great platform. But nope, they just focus on making the UI even worse.
What is your suggestion for financing the YouTube infrastructure and development?
This is a good discussion point, rather than an arms race discussion of ads vs adblockers.
Some key points to make are that Google is making a crap ton of money from ads, they are keeping most of it so creators must resort to sponsorships and patreon. Google additionally makes money by selling your profile data.
It’s not like I have a true answer to your question, but a “workable” system should consist of: Google makes money Creators make money Customers are reasonably private The concept of making money isn’t about making the entire system worse, just so you pay for it not to be
My problem with Google is they don’t really care. They’ll burn it all if it makes them money until it’s dead.
There could be some key features that get implemented on a paid tier, but paying is just ads vs no ads.
An equally valid question would be, what can YT do to incentivize you to pay? They could ad features only available to subscribers, but they really don’t.
I would make it a semi walled garden, with free and premium content. Subscription tiers would be for customers and creators alike. Vimeo has a good system (though not perfect) with feature sets only available certain tiers. There’s incentive to upgrade if you want those features.
Here’s a big differentiator though. YT has this magic algorithm that feeds you what it wants to. Creators have no say in that (nor do customers). But if I post a video you like, I want you to watch more of my videos, not videos from somebody else similar to me. YT takes full control, and sends people away just as fast as sending them in. Why would I pay for that?
Platforms like Vimeo don’t do that (I’m not advocating vimeo, they’re just the example I think is most comparable). Wouldn’t having some level of control over that as a viewing customer and content creator have value? No, let’s just slap ads on it.
I can also argue that this goes against my final criterea point, that YT just made things worse with their algorithm and this is just paying to remove it. There was a day where subscribing to a channel meant you got to see their videos. No bell ringing needed.
And I’m sorry I just vomited my brain into these thoughts and wall of text. If you made it this far, bless you.
But this is why I don’t use YT directly. I was with vanced but ended up with newpipe, because its a simple scraper. That fact not only removes ads, but it gives me control of what I watch with my time (which has value). That is the lesson YT forgot, and the root of why any of this is an issue.
As far as I’m aware, the majority of money that YouTubers make comes from youtube ads.
Youtube is also way better than pretty much every other social media (or similar) for paying their content creators.
Seems like a waste of imperial resources 🤔🤔🤔 what’s the point of an arms race like that
Will lots of people stopped using adblockers last time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Does NewPipe use the YouTube API, or is it a scraper? Also, how will this fix Vanced, that’s using the actual YouTube app?
There are also browser extensions that just play the ads, muted, at like 100× speed. It might as well just be a tiny buffering hiccup at that speed.
I guess we’ll need to see, but I’m not too worried.
It’s a scraper. And, in theory, it shouldn’t even cause any issues with ReVanced modified Youtube patches except if they need to be updated.
Sounds like trouble for Newpipe, Sponsorblock, etc…
SponsorBlock isn’t affected at all, as I understood after reading an article. Why did you mention it?
I doubt it would affect Newpipe either honesty
Well, hopefully my invidious instance holds up for a while
One of my biggest pet peeves recently has been people trying to show me <30 second videos on their phone, and having to sit through a full ass 30 second advertisement. It takes such minimal effort to block the ads, you’ll make up the time invested within a week.
And you know what, as I’m typing this I’m realizing it’s not purely the ads that are annoying. Just don’t fucken show people random 30 second meme videos in person, it’s annoying as shit. Send a link or something, we all have phones.
/rant
Part of the enjoyment I get from sharing memes is seeing/hearing the reaction from the person I’m showing it to. The ads just fuck up the whole vibe.
I feel this. If you’re holding your phone up to my face it better be something off your own camera roll.
30 seconds arent that bad.
I once was forced to a five minutes video. Five minutes of pure cringe can feel like hours.
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It is!
Terrible moment to learn that YouTube is banning Reporting From Ukraine though. First thing in my grayjay feed when I checked. 😒
Fuck YouTube forever.
Yeah FreeTube and NewPipe both work for me still. Might be a problem in the future, but I’m hoping I dodge by being in the weird nerd slice that isn’t worth trying to force ads to.
War… War never changes.
If they’re saying third party apps are fine as long as they show ads, I could see third-party apps displaying ads. And then having option to cover the add playback with a black screen, or with other content, but the default behavior would be to show the ad.
New pipe still working for me.
freetube is also good here
