Clarification: Just making fun of people(including myself) who watch shitty videos instead of official documentation.

  • lurklurk@lemmy.world
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    I really like the man pages, but they’re an encyclopedia, not a tutorial. Great for looking up specifics when you already have a foundation. Not so great when starting out

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      When I was first learning programming I had a teacher who insisted that the only resource we could was the Java docs.

      When you want to know what parameters you need to pass or what certain flags do, it’s a great resource. When you don’t even know how to iterate through an array, it’s not the first place to look.

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    Man pages fucking suck, and I say that having been working with linux full time professionally for 11 years.

    The best ones have plenty of examples.

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      Yeah, I’m writing code on Linux and for Linux and I use it extensively since 2012. I can remember maybe one or two times man was really helpful. Usually it’s an enormous book that somehow doesn’t contain exactly that bit information that you’re looking for

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    My dryer broke the other day, which turned out to be the heating element. I watched a bunch of videos to try and figure out how to troubleshoot the problem and hopefully address it.

    One of the videos, after an intro, claimed to have the solution. Then they proceeded to talk about the temperature control features of the machine and how I should make sure the heat is turned on.

    That is the level many of the unix / software development videos out there. Just literally some AI slop or silly person who doesn’t know what they are talking about uploading a quick clip to grow their channel.

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    You ask someone for instructions

    They send you some bullshit 10 minutes long video

    Now instead of ctrl+f or skimming the article and jumping where you want to go you need to jump around in a video

    REEEE

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      Yep.

      That’s what the RTFM folks don’t seem to understand: if you didn’t even know, what you’re looking for, you can’t look it up.

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        This in general is the main reason for the ai surge. Just dump the 2 sentence explanation into a prompt and hope something sensible comes from it rather than googling for half an hour.

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          No, make it like this:

          I have a problem with program x. Please tell me how i do y if I want z. Use this man page for reference:

          [insert man page into promt py copy paste]

          This gives way better results.

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            Most of the time you don’t have to insert the man page, it’s already baked into the neural network model and filling the context window sometimes gives worse results.

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              I noticed that mentioning commands you want gives good results e.g.:

              Hi,
              I want to replace line with HOSTTOOLS += " svn"
              in all layer.conf files under current directory
              by using find and sed commands.

              If it’s more complicated, pasting parial scrript for LLM to finish gave better results (4 me),
              than pure prompt text.

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          At least for programming/Linux stuff, it often enough actually does deliver keywords, that you can use as jumping off points. The proposed solutions however…

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    You’re not a real linux user unless you’ve read the source because the documentation was inadequate.

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      I just wish they’d put some damn usage examples in there. I usually just need to do one thing I don’t need a dissertation about it.

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        Some man pages have them. I agree that they should be more common though.

      • someacnt@sh.itjust.works
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        As a CS bachelor, I feel like programmers are not so good at giving examples. They are used to refactoring to cover more general cases. It’s a part that makes me struggle at mathematics the most, because good examples are like half of math.

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            Run info info

            Texinfo pages were originally meant to be a longer alternative to manpages that had support for featureful navigation (links, indexes, etc). They’re nice and I can see a world where they did catch on, but the standard viewer is always a little bit of a shock to jump in to (being based off Emacs and all)

    • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
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      Here’s a excerpt from man chmod that can be summarized as “You probably want to mark the file you downloaded as executable. Run chmod +x FILENAME

      DESCRIPTION
      This manual page documents the GNU version of chmod. chmod changes the file mode bits of each given file according to mode, which can be either a symbolic representation of changes to make, or an octal number representing the bit pattern for the new mode bits.

      The format of a symbolic mode is [ugoa…][[-+=][perms…]…], where perms is either zero or more letters from the set rwxXst, or a single letter from the set ugo. Multiple symbolic modes can be given, separated by commas.

      A combination of the letters ugoa controls which users’ access to the file will be changed: the user who owns it (u), other users in the file’s group (g), other users not in the file’s group (o), or all users (a). If none of these are given, the effect is as if (a) were given, but bits that are set in the umask are not affected.

      The operator + causes the selected file mode bits to be added to the existing file mode bits of each file; - causes them to be removed; and = causes them to be added and causes unmentioned bits to be removed except that a directory’s unmentioned set user and group ID bits are not affected.

      The letters rwxXst select file mode bits for the affected users: read ®, write (w), execute (or search for directories) (x), execute/search only if the file is a directory or already has execute permission for some user (X), set user or group ID on execution (s), restricted deletion flag or sticky bit (t). Instead of one or more of these letters, you can specify exactly one of the letters ugo: the permissions granted to the user who owns the file (u), the permissions granted to other users who are members of the file’s group (g), and the permissions granted to users that are in neither of the two preceding categories (o).

      A numeric mode is from one to four octal digits (0-7), derived by adding up the bits with values 4, 2, and 1. Omitted digits are assumed to be leading zeros. The first digit selects the set user ID (4) and set group ID (2) and restricted deletion or sticky (1) attributes. The second digit selects permissions for the user who owns the file: read (4), write (2), and execute (1); the third selects permissions for other users in the file’s group, with the same values; and the fourth for other users not in the file’s group, with the same values.

      chmod doesn’t change the permissions of symbolic links; the chmod system call cannot change their permissions on most systems, and most systems ignore permissions of symbolic links. However, for each symbolic link listed on the command line, chmod changes the permissions of the pointed-to file. In contrast, chmod ignores symbolic links encountered during recursive directory traversals. Options that modify this behavior are described in the OPTIONS section.

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        This is a perfect example bc five years ago this would be total gibberish to my fledgling self. But today it’s mostly readable as reference material

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      cht () {
          curl cht.sh/$1
      }
      

      You can stick this in your .bashrc or .bash_profile. Then just do cht <command to use> and it’ll give you the most relevant info to use the command.

      Ie. cht tar

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    “How do I do X in linux?”

    “Yeah so basically you just need to run this command and it should work on Ubuntu 12.10 (Last edited: Nov 2012)”

    “Hey guys the way to do X changed in Ubuntu 16.04, see this updated link (Posted: Jan 2017)”

    “Actually Ubuntu 18.04 is now using Y so you have to follow this new guide (Last edited: Jul 2019)”

    "Crossed-out outdated guide

    For Ubuntu 22, please reference this Canonical guide here. All other distros can simply use Z (Last edited: Aug, 2022)"

    “404 not found (Canonical)”


    “How do I do X in Debian?”

    “You can run Z to do X (Posted: Oct 2013)”

    “Thanks for this, it worked! (Posted: Sep 2023)”


    “How do I do X in Fedora?”

    “Ah just follow this wiki (Posted: Feb 2014)”

    “(Wiki last update: Mar 2023)”


    “How do I do X In Arch?”

    “RTFM lmao: link to arch wiki (Posted: May 2017)”

    “(Wiki last update: 3 minutes ago)”

    • electric_nan@lemmy.ml
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      Did you know you can filter search results by time? When it comes to computer questions in particular, I always ask for results from within the past year.

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    Free tech tip: https://cht.sh serves practical, usage-focused help on common command-line tasks. You can visit the website, or even better, curl for what you want.

    $ curl cht.sh/touch
    

    gets you this:

     cheat:touch 
    # To change a file's modification time:
    touch -d <time> <file>
    touch -d 12am <file>
    touch -d "yesterday 6am" <file>
    touch -d "2 days ago 10:00" <file>
    touch -d "tomorrow 04:00" <file>
    
    # To put the timestamp of a file on another:
    touch -r <refrence-file> <target-file>
    

    Append with ~ and a word to show only help containing that word:

    $ curl cht.sh/zstd~compress
    

    Result:

     tldr:zstd 
    # zstd
    # Compress or decompress files with Zstandard compression.
    # More information: <https://github.com/facebook/zstd>.
    
    # Decompress a file:
    zstd -d path/to/file.zst
    
    # Decompress to `stdout`:
    zstd -dc path/to/file.zst
    
    # Compress a file specifying the compression level, where 1=fastest, 19=slowest and 3=default:
    zstd -level path/to/file
    
    # Unlock higher compression levels (up to 22) using more memory (both for compression and decompression):
    zstd --ultra -level path/to/file
    

    For more usage tips, curl cht.sh/:help.

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    Has anyone here ever come across a low res tutorial video with microsmic font that is impossible to read? I appreciate their desire to help others but why do people do that?

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    Honestly I kinda like man pages. It is a pain but it is the least painful. And compared to e.g. the PowerShell docs, I love the man pages.

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    I really like the man pages for commands that have examples of some common usage at the bottom, that gets you kickstarted and you can just adapt your own command from the example.