Eh… what the hell is that link? The recommended videos on that place are WILD.
I had heard some rumblings about Rossmann being on some weird alt-right focused service, but I had honestly forgotten and I wasn’t expecting to get a faceful of it by accident. Yikes.
It’s odysee, a frontend to lbry, a sort-of decentralized alternative to Youtube. Which seems very enticing, because an alternative to Youtube is badly needed.
Unfortunately, at the moment it is completely overrun by religious nutjobs, Nazis and other assorted scum. It is not by its nature an alt-right service, but it does attract all those who would be banned anywhere else.
Unfortunately alt-right crypto weirdos have coopted the term “decentralised”, and so it is with this site. It’s a crypto-based… video… hosting… platform? I cannot for the life of me figure out how it works other than that it mines crypto in the background while you have the site open and if you have an account, you get a cut of the crypto you mined.
I have tried looking into it, but they don’t explain anywhere in their promo materials, it’s literally just “earn while you watch!”, which… yeah no thanks. I’ve been on the internet and paying attention for more than 5 minutes, I know that grift when I see it.
“Decentralised” isn’t enough, you need a way to ban people that is also decentralised, and that’s where federation comes in.
I don’t know if they’re eventually going to coopt “federation”. I wonder if that’s the ultimate test of a social technology - if it can be coopted by reactionaries. The less able they are to do so, the better it is.
That really doesn’t explain how it works. So… the host mines crypto as well as sending you videos? What is the economy supposed to work like? What does the blockchain actually achieve here? Why do people host in that case? Where do they explain this?
Anyway, I’m still not interested in crypto anything. The moment I saw it was blockchain based I noped out pretty fast. I’m guessing a lot of people do and that’s part of why it’s such a reactionary cesspit.
Like we don’t need blockchain for this; regular federation already works.
Peertube is also p2p, so the videos can be hosted apart from the host instance, and there’s nothing stopping peertube instances from maintaining a distributed ledger of references to videos without the blockchain.
Everything you say blockchain does can be achieved via distributed plaintext ledgers. It is solving a problem that doesn’t exist.
As for the earning money part, eventually you do have to connect your personal details in order to transfer crypto to a usable currency, so that problem isn’t really solved either.
Immutability is irrelevant if the point is to maintain a record of posts to prevent censorship. The only thing that matters is that some instances keep the record. Bad actors could try to lie about the posts, but that doesn’t delete the ledger from other instances.
And no, no single instance is responsible, that’s what it means to have a distributed ledger. Distributed ledgers are already a proven technology that is extremely robust against censorship. You may have heard of them, they’re called bittorrents.
In fact, federation is also a kind of distributed ledger since once content federates a record is kept by any instance it is distributed to. It’s a solved problem and not even that hard. Synchronisation consists of, “here’s my latest posts, keep a record of them please”. This is such a basic concept and I don’t know why you called it a “single point of failure”. It is exactly the opposite of a single point of failure.
Privacy is not guaranteed even with Monero, and you’re still getting paid in crypto which is inherently unstable because the only thing it is worth is what you can sell it for, so it goes through boom-bust cycles constantly, and the immutability - when forks aren’t happening - only serves to enable scams. To defeat that crypto people have created banks, defeating the point of a zero-trust system.
There’s no public trust in it and it takes enormous carbon footprints to run, so it’s unsustainable on so many levels. I don’t want to support crypto on any level on principle, so no, I don’t want LBRY tokens. A lot of people feel the same way, and looking at the population of Odysee, a large number of the people who are on board are a bunch of right wing assholes.
odysee is a weird place, lots of “creators” that were forced off youtube and other places for far out views or outright dangerous lies ended up there as they have almost no rules.
There are a lot of non-far-right weirdos that use it, but it is hard to scroll through without seeing some fringe crazy shit.
Every other recommend video had the word “justified” in it. It’s recommending similar videos on the titles alone. I’m not defending it, just pointing out how weird that is.
Eh… what the hell is that link? The recommended videos on that place are WILD.
I had heard some rumblings about Rossmann being on some weird alt-right focused service, but I had honestly forgotten and I wasn’t expecting to get a faceful of it by accident. Yikes.
It’s odysee, a frontend to lbry, a sort-of decentralized alternative to Youtube. Which seems very enticing, because an alternative to Youtube is badly needed.
Unfortunately, at the moment it is completely overrun by religious nutjobs, Nazis and other assorted scum. It is not by its nature an alt-right service, but it does attract all those who would be banned anywhere else.
It is whoever uses it the most. If it gets overrun by alt right people it is an alt right service.
Cue in the obligatory “This is a Nazi bar now” reference: https://x.com/Iron_Spike/status/1646817528482770944?s=20
Unfortunately alt-right crypto weirdos have coopted the term “decentralised”, and so it is with this site. It’s a crypto-based… video… hosting… platform? I cannot for the life of me figure out how it works other than that it mines crypto in the background while you have the site open and if you have an account, you get a cut of the crypto you mined.
I have tried looking into it, but they don’t explain anywhere in their promo materials, it’s literally just “earn while you watch!”, which… yeah no thanks. I’ve been on the internet and paying attention for more than 5 minutes, I know that grift when I see it.
“Decentralised” isn’t enough, you need a way to ban people that is also decentralised, and that’s where federation comes in.
I don’t know if they’re eventually going to coopt “federation”. I wonder if that’s the ultimate test of a social technology - if it can be coopted by reactionaries. The less able they are to do so, the better it is.
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That really doesn’t explain how it works. So… the host mines crypto as well as sending you videos? What is the economy supposed to work like? What does the blockchain actually achieve here? Why do people host in that case? Where do they explain this?
Anyway, I’m still not interested in crypto anything. The moment I saw it was blockchain based I noped out pretty fast. I’m guessing a lot of people do and that’s part of why it’s such a reactionary cesspit.
Like we don’t need blockchain for this; regular federation already works.
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Peertube is also p2p, so the videos can be hosted apart from the host instance, and there’s nothing stopping peertube instances from maintaining a distributed ledger of references to videos without the blockchain.
Everything you say blockchain does can be achieved via distributed plaintext ledgers. It is solving a problem that doesn’t exist.
As for the earning money part, eventually you do have to connect your personal details in order to transfer crypto to a usable currency, so that problem isn’t really solved either.
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Immutability is irrelevant if the point is to maintain a record of posts to prevent censorship. The only thing that matters is that some instances keep the record. Bad actors could try to lie about the posts, but that doesn’t delete the ledger from other instances.
And no, no single instance is responsible, that’s what it means to have a distributed ledger. Distributed ledgers are already a proven technology that is extremely robust against censorship. You may have heard of them, they’re called bittorrents.
In fact, federation is also a kind of distributed ledger since once content federates a record is kept by any instance it is distributed to. It’s a solved problem and not even that hard. Synchronisation consists of, “here’s my latest posts, keep a record of them please”. This is such a basic concept and I don’t know why you called it a “single point of failure”. It is exactly the opposite of a single point of failure.
Privacy is not guaranteed even with Monero, and you’re still getting paid in crypto which is inherently unstable because the only thing it is worth is what you can sell it for, so it goes through boom-bust cycles constantly, and the immutability - when forks aren’t happening - only serves to enable scams. To defeat that crypto people have created banks, defeating the point of a zero-trust system.
There’s no public trust in it and it takes enormous carbon footprints to run, so it’s unsustainable on so many levels. I don’t want to support crypto on any level on principle, so no, I don’t want LBRY tokens. A lot of people feel the same way, and looking at the population of Odysee, a large number of the people who are on board are a bunch of right wing assholes.
Hard no.
odysee is a weird place, lots of “creators” that were forced off youtube and other places for far out views or outright dangerous lies ended up there as they have almost no rules.
There are a lot of non-far-right weirdos that use it, but it is hard to scroll through without seeing some fringe crazy shit.
https://i.imgur.com/nOOT8NK.png
what the fuck is this?! WHat IS THIS?!
What the actual fuck
Look at this fucking shit.
Fucking hell. Why did they steal the thumbnail format from those kids channels.
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Jesus Christ, you weren’t kidding. One of the recommended videos for me was “Why the crusades were completely justified!” Yeah, fuck that crazy shit.
Every other recommend video had the word “justified” in it. It’s recommending similar videos on the titles alone. I’m not defending it, just pointing out how weird that is.
“Why posting weird videos is justified”