You say that as if Israel hasn’t been there since ancient times and that randomly killing oblivious civilians is the same thing as amassing a military to fight a military.
To use an analogy, suppose this were Hetalia and countries were individual human personifications who “won” territory from one another through fencing. The forces attacking Israel did the equivalent of taking a blade and slashing Israel’s eyes as he slept. That ain’t fencing. And then Russia and North Korea, who have abused Ukraine miserably because he wanted to be left alone, come to take fruits from the conflict, unquestioned by Palestine, as if by design.
After all that, and after letting terrorists infiltrate the Palestinian territory in the first place by setting up shop, again uncondemned, under their nose, I’d argue both Israel and Palestine are corrupt, but that the nation that makes a deal with the devil is moreso, but that you don’t deal with corrupt nations by killing random people unprovoked. Even if killing innocent people to achieve goals was a commonality, I still object to the many pro-Palestinian people who say it should be considered normalized because it supports their side of things.
My point was that the countries who are trying to be the good guy have at one point tried to kill off the native population. I’m not saying things are equal. Are you trying to say Israel was built on fear of existence? They aren’t being good neighbors. And Israel is a manufactured country by the “winners” of WW2. I’m not saying the jews are bad. I’m saying those that are in power are the ones fucking it up for the rest of us. There is no pure good entity. As humans, we are all animals. Some are disgusting animals. The ruling class are the problem. Until there are no classifications of higher or lower human, there will always be problems. Are we all equal in every way? No of course not. But we need to try to help the less fortunate until they are no longer less fortunate.
There are two versions of history regarding how Israel formed. One of them was Moses incited a rebellion against the pharaoh and then escaped with his followers into Israel, fighting the Canaanites when they got there (but definitely not through terrorism and by far not the whole Canaanite territory, which stretched far to the East) and settling in what’s roughly considered their current territorial borders.
The other version of Israelite history began with them simply forming into existence on an area surrounded by Canaanite land (this view is often held by those who doubt the pyramids used unwilling slaves), similar to many city-states, and that the Israelites are in fact the Canaanites.
Neither of these began with indiscriminate extermination or fear of existence.
Modern Israel, which was given to the inhabitants after British occupation which also followed periods of Babylonian, Roman, and Ottoman occupation, was founded on the chaos caused by the British being as good at drawing borders than they were, a complaint which has also been spoken by India and Pakistan, who themselves are destined for a third war this century (I can almost smell it). Which leads us to the following…
I’m not saying the jews are bad. I’m saying those that are in power are the ones fucking it up for the rest of us.
That’s kind of the biggest point, there is a distinction NOT being made by Hamas or even the majority of Palestine. While also not encourageable, fedai warfare, which was even invented by Muslims, would’ve been 110% more peaceful than what Hamas did and what Palestine continues, which is highly collateral and reckless in its aggression, deception, and urge to drag people in, such as with the OP but also with the fact Russia and the whole Ummah just had to join, making it more than just par for the course.
There’s also the fact there’s one Jewish homeland and more land operating in the sphere of the Islamic world than there is land on most continents, which itself is only a factor because Palestine considers itself inseparable from Islam (if it wasn’t, the spheres of Islam and Judaism wouldn’t be used as reference points to where their lands begin, it would just be “another factor” and thus no alienation if Palestine wanted Israel’s land).
You say that as if Israel hasn’t been there since ancient times and that randomly killing oblivious civilians is the same thing as amassing a military to fight a military.
To use an analogy, suppose this were Hetalia and countries were individual human personifications who “won” territory from one another through fencing. The forces attacking Israel did the equivalent of taking a blade and slashing Israel’s eyes as he slept. That ain’t fencing. And then Russia and North Korea, who have abused Ukraine miserably because he wanted to be left alone, come to take fruits from the conflict, unquestioned by Palestine, as if by design.
After all that, and after letting terrorists infiltrate the Palestinian territory in the first place by setting up shop, again uncondemned, under their nose, I’d argue both Israel and Palestine are corrupt, but that the nation that makes a deal with the devil is moreso, but that you don’t deal with corrupt nations by killing random people unprovoked. Even if killing innocent people to achieve goals was a commonality, I still object to the many pro-Palestinian people who say it should be considered normalized because it supports their side of things.
Exactly. Each and every country is built on blood.
But is every country built on fear of existence? Clearly some nations go about what you call “being built on blood” better than others.
My point was that the countries who are trying to be the good guy have at one point tried to kill off the native population. I’m not saying things are equal. Are you trying to say Israel was built on fear of existence? They aren’t being good neighbors. And Israel is a manufactured country by the “winners” of WW2. I’m not saying the jews are bad. I’m saying those that are in power are the ones fucking it up for the rest of us. There is no pure good entity. As humans, we are all animals. Some are disgusting animals. The ruling class are the problem. Until there are no classifications of higher or lower human, there will always be problems. Are we all equal in every way? No of course not. But we need to try to help the less fortunate until they are no longer less fortunate.
There are two versions of history regarding how Israel formed. One of them was Moses incited a rebellion against the pharaoh and then escaped with his followers into Israel, fighting the Canaanites when they got there (but definitely not through terrorism and by far not the whole Canaanite territory, which stretched far to the East) and settling in what’s roughly considered their current territorial borders.
The other version of Israelite history began with them simply forming into existence on an area surrounded by Canaanite land (this view is often held by those who doubt the pyramids used unwilling slaves), similar to many city-states, and that the Israelites are in fact the Canaanites.
Neither of these began with indiscriminate extermination or fear of existence.
Modern Israel, which was given to the inhabitants after British occupation which also followed periods of Babylonian, Roman, and Ottoman occupation, was founded on the chaos caused by the British being as good at drawing borders than they were, a complaint which has also been spoken by India and Pakistan, who themselves are destined for a third war this century (I can almost smell it). Which leads us to the following…
That’s kind of the biggest point, there is a distinction NOT being made by Hamas or even the majority of Palestine. While also not encourageable, fedai warfare, which was even invented by Muslims, would’ve been 110% more peaceful than what Hamas did and what Palestine continues, which is highly collateral and reckless in its aggression, deception, and urge to drag people in, such as with the OP but also with the fact Russia and the whole Ummah just had to join, making it more than just par for the course.
There’s also the fact there’s one Jewish homeland and more land operating in the sphere of the Islamic world than there is land on most continents, which itself is only a factor because Palestine considers itself inseparable from Islam (if it wasn’t, the spheres of Islam and Judaism wouldn’t be used as reference points to where their lands begin, it would just be “another factor” and thus no alienation if Palestine wanted Israel’s land).