I am looking into password managers, as number of my accounts are increasing. Currently I am weighing two options:
- Host Vaultwarden on a VPS, or
- Use the free bitwarden service.
I want to know how they are in practical aspects.
While I am fine self-hosting many services, password managers seem to be one of the most critical services that should not admit downtime. I surely cannot keep it up, as I need to update it time to time.
On the other hand, using bitwarden might require some level of trust. How much should I trust the company to use the free service? How do I know if my passwords would be safe, not being exposed to the wide net?
I want to gauge pros and cons, are there aspects I missed? How are your opinions on this? If you are self-hosting vaultwarden, how do you manage the downtime? Thanks in advance!
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I enjoy self hosting, but what tipped the scales for me in favor of using Bitwarden’s servers is that I’m 100% confident I’m not as good as hardening my system from being compromised as they are. The vault is going to be encrypted anyway, and I think there’s a lower chance of it falling into the wrong hands if it’s hosted with Bitwarden. Same reason I don’t self-host email.
Plus Bitwarden is a cool company and the product is open source, and the premium features are unreasonably low priced.
Bitwarden is dirt cheap. I can never host and be as reliable as they are for that price.
If I get hit by a bus, then the passwords for the things that my wife needs to settle things gets sent to her, and the infra isn’t something that I maintain and could be down.
Worth $10/yr, by far.
That is a service they offer? Man that’s amazing, I gues I am going to update!
There’s a dead man option.
I have my password stored as a QR in an envelope. With instructions for Bitwarden. Never heard about the dead man option.
Vaultwarden allows a bit of downtime, the vault is cached by the clients
When the server is not reachable, no writes are allowed
Maybe worth to mention that bitwarden also propose bitwarden.eu to host data in Europe. I’ve used bitwarden.com for years, and switch to bitwarden.eu a few month ago because of reasons, you know…
I had a similar dilemma and just went with bitwarden because I don’t trust myself not to fuck up. Bitwarden can’t access the passwords without my master pw (afaik) so I feel safe knowing that. I use it on all my devices so it gets synced there and even if the service is down, I have my passwords.
I’ll self host it when I reach the next level of paranoia.
Just a PSA for anybody reading the thread, though it doesn’t really help with the question at hand… On the very slim chance that your workplace uses Bitwarden Enterprise it’s worth knowing that every licensed user gets a free family plan that can be tied to an existing personal account, provided it’s hosted in the same region.
We do use it but very few of our own users are even aware of the perk so I like to spread it around when I get the chance!
add keepassxc to the list. I’ve avoided it for the longest times because I remember the horror that was the OG keepass. this is modern software, minimal footprint (miniscule compared to bitwarden’s electron crap), easy to use, the db is one file that’s easily syncthing-ed around, browser extensions, etc.
I self host vaultwarden and its great. Its an easy self host, and in my experience, it has never gone down on me.
That being said, my experience is anecdotal. If you do go the vaultwarden route, realize that your vault is still accessible on your devices (phone, whatever) even if your server goes down, or if you just lose network connectivity. They hold local (encrypted at rest) copies of your vault that are periodically updated.
Additionally, regardless of the route you take you should absolutely be practicing a good 3-2-1 backup strategy with your password vault, as with any other data you value.
If in the future you think you might bring family/relations onboard to the password manager, it may be worthwhile to pay for a BitWarden family plan. BitWarden is really low-cost and they publish their stuff as FOSS (and therefore are worth supporting), but crucially you don’t want to be the point of technical support for when something doesn’t work for someone else. Self-hosting a password manager is an easier thing to do if you’re only doing it for yourself.
That said, I use a self-hosted Vaultwarden server as backup (i.e. I manually bring the server online and sync to my phone now and again), and my primary password manager is through Keepassxc, which is a completely separate and offline password manager program.
Edit: Forgot to mention, you can always start with free BitWarden and then export your data and delete your account if you decide to self-host.
that was my thinking too, if something happened to me I dont want all my wifes passwords to be locked out so I made her an admin on the account as well to be able to continue paying for the service or export her passwords
Vaultwarden has an “emergency access” feature so if something happens to me my wife can take over the account.
I also added the kids to our “organization” but didn’t give them write permissions to their passwords yet so they can’t accidentally change something.
I’m sure official bitwarden has those options too.
oh interesting Ill have to look into that! thank you
One little bonus for using Vaultwarden is that you get access to premium features for free. But still, I put availability much higher when it comes to password management, so I would go with paid Bitwarden. That is what I did before moving to Keepass.
The Bitwarden clients cache your data locally. So even if your Vaultwarden goes down, you’ll still be able to access your passwords. Just not sync new ones or make changes.
Do you have a proper backup solution? If you have a catastrophic data error, can you still recover? If not, just choose the hosted infrastructure.
Self-hosting is great. I love it. But when it comes to critical things that you absolutely cannot fuck up, I would rather trust a consumer based solution. If you fuck up your passwords and they’re gone, it’s going to hinder you significantly more than losing sleep about some rando having all your passwords if they break scrypt encryption.
If you have a catastrophic data failure, then you can just use the vault stored on a client to restore it, even if you don’t have backups.
Nice! I was unaware that you could do this. Cheers.
Yeah, it says on their website you can export it from any Bitwarden app, and you can also do it from the CLI if you wanted to for some reason.
Probably be easier in case of emergency to do it from the browser extension though, since you’re gonna have to set up the Vaultwarden server anyway and import the data.
EDIT: So just to check, I installed Vaultwarden, and I was able to export the vault from both the browser extension and the iOS app, on top of the web UI.
On the other hand, using bitwarden might require some level of trust. How much should I trust the company to use the free service?
How do I know if my passwords would be safe, not being exposed to the wide net?Wouldn’t these questions be as true of the VPS service that hosts Vaultwarden as of Bitwarden?
If my internet at home was better I would be selfhosting Vaultwarden and use a full vpn on my laptop/phone/tablet when leaving the house.
Now I’m using KeepassXC with my home pc as the true source and syncing copies of the database to my laptop and phone.No, you don’t need to trust the VPS provider. The VaultaWarden password storage is encrypted, and the master password is never transmitted to the server. The passwords are decrypted only locally on your device.
How does that differ from Bitwarden?
