I am interested in a community of people of faith who are at the same time on the political left, particularly anarchism, and lgbtq+ inclusion, particularly transgender. I am kinda sick and tired of atheists harassing everyone religious. I don’t care much about the philosophy surrounding it, it is just that their collective behavior is arguably harassment, not a bit different to typical transphobic harassment about delusions etc. I believe that freedom of religious belief is a very basic right for people of all convictions. At the moment there is a huge divide: religious lgbtq+ people who are also anarchist (and might have been ostracized by their religious community on top of everything else) have no place to go without facing atheist harassment, and this is how there is no place to discuss faith together with politics and identity. So, here goes, I want to start this discussion with people who would like to see sth like this happening.

  • Solumbran@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 days ago

    You can have beliefs. But most religions are actively anti-LGBT, so you are in a bit of a pickle here. Associating yourself with an intolerant group is going to attract hostility for people who fight intolerance. And the paradoxical situation you seem to be here leaves you on the wrong side of both sides.

    If your beliefs are proper beliefs (and not weird crap from religions) no atheist can ever have an argument against that.

    • OneMeaningManyNames@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      5·
      2 days ago

      So yes, exactly the fact that many religions are anti-LGBT is a point of identity conflict for many people. Some LGBTQ+ people might have been religious before realizing or coming out. So this is a point of discussion in itself. And most leftish people wouldn’t really care to have it. Ergo, a need for a “space.”

    • Cris@lemmy.worldEnglish
      52·
      2 days ago

      Judging people for their demographic because you associate that demographic with behavior you find unacceptable is dumb

      Your judgement is with the behaviour, not the demographic. If you wanna criticize religion’s tendency to advocate cruelty towards queer folks that’s a point worth fighting for, but painting an entire group with the same brush and treating an individual with hostility based on how you perceive others from that demographic is dumb.

      That’s the same logic bigotry is often cut from.

      Edit: corrected “other” to “others”