If the owner of the standard notes will now be a proton, doesn’t that contradict this principle? I have a proton email account but I don’t want it linked to my standard notes account. I don’t strongly trust companies that offer packaged services like google or Microsoft. I prefer to have one service from one company. I am afraid that now I will have to change where I save my notes. What do you guys think about this?

  • LWD@lemm.ee
    13·
    6 months ago

    I’ve been self-hosting Standard Notes for a while, and if you think it’s something you can pull off, I’d recommend it. Especially if you can get by without folders, (too many) fancy editors, or some of the extra cloud stuff they have been offering.

    If you don’t feel like self-hosting, there are other options too, like

    • The non-self-hostable but E2EE-encrypted and open-source Notesnook
    • The closed source but extensible Obsidian, which doesn’t seem very interested in locking you into any tying
    • The somewhat clunky but powerful and open-source Joplin
    • survivalmachine@beehaw.org
      6·
      6 months ago

      Maybe Logseq, too.

      +FOSS like Joplin and unlike Obsidian
      +plaintext markdown files like Obsidian and unlike Joplin’s janky database
      -less feature-rich than obsidian
      -block-based instead of note-based, so a slight paradigm-shift is required

      • LWD@lemm.ee
        5·
        6 months ago

        You can add two spaces at the end of every line to manually trigger
        a line break

          • LWD@lemm.ee
            6·
            6 months ago

            Maybe, but I’m pretty sure “end a line in two spaces to ensure a line break is inserted” is standard Markdown. I can see the source fine but not the formatted comment.

      • T (they/she)@beehaw.org
        2·
        6 months ago

        My biggest issue with Logsec is the CLA signing. I still use it but don’t feel like contributing to it anymore

      • noodlejetski@lemm.ee
        2·
        6 months ago

        I just wish any of them had a native Android UI instead of a weird, janky mess that is Logseq and iOS clone in Obsidian.

        • LWD@lemm.ee
          1·
          6 months ago

          It seems like apps are all using web apps as a shortcut for deploying cross platform functionality. Which is sometimes fine until you run into compatibility or UI issues like those.

          • noodlejetski@lemm.ee
            2·
            6 months ago

            I mean yeah, I get it, and I know the same’s the reason behind everyone and their dog using Electron, but in both cases the result is… not great.

    • TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
      61·
      6 months ago

      I’ve been self-hosting Standard Notes for a while, and if you think it’s something you can pull off, I’d recommend it.

      Too bad it requires 2GB of RAM. Joplin is “perfect” but the UI is ugly.

    • gamedeviancy@discuss.tchncs.deOP
      3·
      6 months ago

      I know these apps but none of them is as good as standard notes in my opinion. Notesnook seems fine but I don’t like fact that it is based in Pakistan. I used Joplin before buying a sub for standard notes so I know it.

      Currently I have also subscription on Crypt.ee for photos but there is also a notes app integrated. Maybe I’ll start using it. Developer of cryptee was very active on reddit and he seems like a man who values privacy and security.

      But I hope that simply proton will not force the migration of standard notes accounts to proton accounts and for old users everything will be as before.

      • LWD@lemm.ee
        3·
        6 months ago

        Is there anything won’t with the company itself being in Pakistan, if it’s explicitly hosting your data in Germany? I’m not aware of any nation-level threat going on over there, and their client is open-source on all platforms, so I don’t imagine there’s much that would be compromised.

        • gamedeviancy@discuss.tchncs.deOP
          2·
          6 months ago

          Idk, maybe I’m wrong. Notesnook is recommended by privacyguides at all. All my mistrust comes from the fact that such countries are not famous for respecting human rights. What if the government forces the owners to give up the keys? Maybe it’s an unrealistic scenario cause data is encrypted.

          • LWD@lemm.ee
            3·
            6 months ago

            You’re asking the right questions.

            Regarding keys: they never store those. If they did, that would be a problem from the beginning. The whole point of E2EE encryption is that the servers and server owners should never be able to access your data even if you wanted them to.

              • LWD@lemm.ee
                4·
                6 months ago

                If you’re worried about backdoors, you can build every client from source and verify the code. IIRC they haven’t paid for an audit, but if they failed to protect your passwords/keys that’d be really bad for their reputation. And considering their target demographic, it’s pretty important to keep that part of the reputation alive.

              • calm.like.a.bomb@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                2·
                6 months ago

                Notesnook is open source and you can check (if you have the knowledge) if there are any issues. They’re working on making the server self-hostable (also fully open source) so there’s that.

    • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      What’s the upside over self-hosted (and encrypted) Trilium, which is what I currently use? (I ask this not as a challenge, but out of curiosity.)

      • LWD@lemm.ee
        2·
        6 months ago

        From the looks of it, Trillium is halfway between Standard Notes and hosting your own wiki.

        If you’re happy with Trillium, I’d say stick with it. It looks pretty good, TBH. Standard Notes is self-hostable more as an afterthought, which is to its detriment.