• Dr. Dabbles@lemmy.worldEnglish
    436·
    11 months ago

    systemd is a FANTASTIC set of tools, well integrated into the environment, and allows powerful configurations to be set very easily. Anybody arguing for the “old ways” has never had to set up a complex network environment using an interfaces file and a million other configuration tools.

    • Buffalox@lemmy.world
      8·
      11 months ago

      The debate isn’t even funny anymore, it ended completely IMO when Debian decided on systemd, despite heavy propaganda with wild promises about how amazing they planned to make upstart. Promises that were never gonna happen, and some of the problems they promised to solve, had been left unsolved by upstart developers for years. Some of them allegedly because they were basically impossible to solve in upstart, because the basic design concept is flawed, just like other init systems based on the System V legacy.

      • Buffalox@lemmy.world
        4·
        11 months ago

        Back before AMD Radeon Open Source drivers became good, the best options were widely considered to be Intel for Open Source that worked, or Nvidia for performance with proprietary drivers. AMD was basically considered the worst option you could choose.

        Personally I have always used AMD anyway since 2005 on Linux, but that’s because I’m a somewhat extreme political user, and I don’t like Nvidia for multiple reasons. My wife however uses Nvidia, because she was less stubborn, and AMD worked poorly when she tried it.

        IMO AMD is the way superior choice on Linux today.

        • Buffalox@lemmy.world
          3·
          11 months ago

          I don’t get why so many find it OK to tie their development to 1 vendor? I suspect CUDA will die off in favor of a more open and flexible option.

      • GiveOver@feddit.uk
        12·
        11 months ago

        I can’t tell if you’re saying Wayland + Nvidia is da bomb, or Wayland + Nvidia will fuck your system up.

      • Qvest@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        11 months ago

        Weirdly enough, I’ve never been happier with Linux since I discovered Wayland with Fedora. I’m one year on my Linux journey at this point, my desktop never felt so polished. It actually feels like a competitor to Windows and MacOS now (at least for me) and yes, I use NVIDIA under Wayland

    • LupertEverett@lemmy.world
      2·
      11 months ago

      And that said one guy is actually an alt account of someone who was banned a long time ago, so the guy is literally evading a ban, and yet Michael is doing jack shit about it. Guess it works on his end as it is “hurr durr interaction”.

  • milkjug@lemmy.worldEnglish
    202·
    11 months ago

    I have tried several times to find a convincing answer as to why systemd bad hur dur, but I could never find one that says precisely why. I’d love it if someone could ELI5 it for me.

      • milkjug@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        11 months ago

        This is easily the most comprehensive and informative reply to the issue with systemd I’ve seen so far. Thank you for the response, I can see why their increasing dominance is alarming.

        I’m certainly not at liberty to pass judgment on whether it deserves its current reputation, since I barely know enough to make it work to my needs. But I would be most interested to see how things play out.

        • MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world
          5·
          11 months ago

          Imagine if SystemD incorporates some form of DRM to ensure “compatibility” and “authenticity”, like how Google is trying to control the Web and Android (if you have followed the recent news). And SystemD is based out of RedHat, which should be plenty alarming already

      • milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
        2·
        11 months ago

        Thank you, that was an excellent reply. I vaguely knew there were arguments over systems, but had no idea of the details.

        What you say about their overly large power, though: if they make a bad choice, and enough people agree it’s a bad choice, can’t a new project just fork systemd and take it in a good direction?

      • cybersandwich@lemmy.world
        25·
        11 months ago

        It’s systemd or bust because it’s so much better than any other init system.

        Also, your post glosses over the biggest issues people have with systemd. The lead developer was a complete fucking asshole and rubbed people the wrong way. Imo, that’s where most of the hate stems. The guy was a tool and the initial backlash spiraled from there.

        But I guess being a jerk and being a sea-changing dev go hand-in-hand. Eg stallman, Torvalds, etc

        Also, my favorite thing about the gnu diehards complaining that systemd does too much and doesn’t follow the unix principals… Emacs enters the chat. It also enters the email, text editor, ide, etc.

      • EddyBot@feddit.de
        6·
        11 months ago

        this comment shows how the word of mouth actually distorted the argument

        its not the linux philosophy but one sentence of the unix philosophy (linux is not unix)
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy

        Make each program do one thing well. To do a new job, build afresh rather than complicate old programs by adding new “features”

        besides being over 40 years old at this point

        fun fact the linux kernel would actually not really fit this since it is an monolithic kernel

        • fogetaboutit@programming.dev
          2·
          11 months ago

          Ah sorry, unix not linux. I didnt think of that before, it seems so obvious that linux kernel isnt doing one thing well, it does everything ever, kind of well.

    • azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      41·
      11 months ago

      because it’s not 90’s shell script thus it’s bloat. What is your difficulty with understanding it? /s

  • UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
    5·
    11 months ago

    Basically every tech publication. In Germany heise.de is the largest publication, usually with very interesting and balanced, but the comments are deliberately hidden away. They are a place where the worst of the internet lives apparently.