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Of course Linux is better for custom, purpose-built hardware. That’s like, its main advantage for the commercial sector.
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Now we just need that GFX software from intel / amd / nvidia that is available on windows, taking advantage of that newly supported hardware
Stop, you’re making me too hard. I might be able to like, ditch Windows if that happens.
Edit. By software I’m talking about in game features.
Like FSR and such? That’s available on Linux (FSR 1.x is integrated into SteamOS for compositor-level upscaling). AFAIK AMD does not officially support FSR on Linux but it’s written in a way that it should work with minor integration work. It’s written with cross-platform support in mind, given that it’s targeting PlayStation etc. als well.
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Yeah, the sole reason I don’t have linux on my old laptop is that lenovo has completely proprietary video drivers for it. I’m talking “manufacturer’s installers don’t think there’s a video card there” proprietary.
Also, single purpose use cases. Servers don’t necessarily run on custom hardware, but they do only one type of thing.
Year of the linux handheld then?
Thank you for making your comment licensed under creative common. I’ll now steal it, repackage it and sell for 9.99$ without even acknowledging your existence
But at least you know you’re a bad boy and Santa will know too.
But will you train an LLM with it??
But… it’s a Non-commercial Attribution license. /s/ns
I’m joking, but on a more serious note for those that don’t know, not all Creative Commons licenses allow you to monetize, and be sure to actually read which version of license is used if you plan to use a CC work for anything other than personal use.
Oh my God! Someone call the police!
Why did you license your comment?
He doesn’t want to let us use his comment for commercial purposes, which is a shame. I don’t know how I’m going to pay for dinner now.
You joke but when “media” outlets boldly steal 90% of their content directly from reddit posts and comments without attribution for commercial use, maybe including a license isnt crazy anymore?
They’re already stealing the content. You think a license is going to stop them from doing it anyway? Who says this license is valid in any jurisdiction that the comment is being held on (yay federation!)? Who says that a random user submitting something to a public forum where data is stored by third parties in order to run that forum can be licensed anyway?
If my server makes me money in some form, and you submit stuff after the fact and license it yourself, that doesn’t magically apply nor does it bind the server owners to anything. Unfortunately the comment you submit to a homeserver doesn’t actually belong to you at that point.
Case and point, the community we’re in !linux says licensed under CC BY 3.0, and this user claims CC BY-NC-SA 4.0, but the community has not necessarily given him the right to post ANY license attached to his comment and still post. conflicting licenses would be at play. And this is ignoring that lemmy.ml may not have granted either !linux OR the user to apply their own license to content, you know… since they’re storing the data and own the server/service.
It would take even the most junior of lawyer to get it thrown out. Especially since it’s fair use to report on the goings on of public. Even if that reporting agency makes money by reporting on the comment.
It’s a bit out there, but I see why he does it. It is a shame that the media has sunk to such lows.
Christ your comment is the funniest thing I’ve read in a while. Thank you for the laugh
My comment is licensed under GPL. If you look at it when you reply, it means your reply is a derivative work and must retain the license. Have fun.
AI
I don’t think linking to a licence that increases the rights of third parties to do things with your words (over the default all rights reserved) will do very much for you there.
Nobody knows yet 🤷 I’ll do it anyway
I think you’re missing my point. You are giving people more rights to use your comments by putting them under CC licence than not putting them under any.
I think you’re missing the point. It’s a non-commercial license. Non-commercial AI is completely fine by me. Commercial is not.
No, how was I supposed to infer that you were fine with non-commercial AI from your two letter response to why you were licencing your comment?
I think its fairly naive to think that linking to a licence will do anything to stop commercial AI but not open ones, but you go for it if you think it’s worthwhile.
Because Windows blows.
Saved you a click.
My bet is that there’s an Xbox handheld in the work and Microsoft is working on a Windows version just for it.
They already have a Windows version for a handheld. The Xbox runs a modified version of Windows 11. All they’d need to do to bring it in line with PC handhelds is allow the install of third party launchers (they probably wouldn’t do this though).
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MS has CBL Mariner, they could release their own linux handheld
But then they would show the general public that Linux is a thing worth mentioning. I doubt that many people outside IT know about CBL Mariner.
If they released a handheld it would absolutely be locked down, Xbox branded and only using the Xbox store
i think they are already mentioning it: MS has a help webpage on how to install linux, both WSL2 on Windows machine, or how to burn iso and install linux on bare metal. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install
Microsoft have quite a bit of software that runs on Linux (PowerShell, VS Code, .NET, Azure tools, Intune / Endpoint Manager, even SQL Server) so it’s understandable that they’d have documentation to explain it to their customers.
Yep, they run it themselves even. Previously their motto was “Linux is a Cancer” now they have embraced it and developed their own distro (CBL). With how everything is going WebApp these days, I can see a day when Windows will be linux based kernel.
Cause windows sucks and licenses?
Yes, the extremely popular handheld PC gaming market.
It’s small, but growing very fast. While actual PC has stagnated, no?
Hasn’t Steam just beat its record of simultaneously online users? And while I’m sure Steam Decks contributed to this, we’re taking of numbers an order of magnitude bigger. Hell, PC gaming is doing so well that we’re seeing until then console exclusive games come out on Steam.
I think the problem is that it’s super popular for those who already own a PC and have a huge Steam Library. I got console friends wanting a Steam Deck but ultimately don’t want to buy one because it means rebuying their games.
As much as I love my steam deck and the os, I do wish it was slightly easier to install third party games.
I know it’s not hard and I’ve installed plenty, but like it’s so incredibly easy with steam that it’s made me lazy to even install games I already have on gog
It’s not Linux or SteamOS, but both Epic and CD Projekt don’t support their store client apps and launchers on Linux sadly, such we have to use unofficial ones such as Heroic Game Launcher
But gotta admit, its a damn good launcher! If i had to use windows again, I would install it instead of the other two for sure!
It’s actually pretty easy with lutris and bottles. The same process that I do on my arch machine works on the decks desktop mode.
Oh, I’ll check this, because I’ve just been installing the games through adding a non steam game through the desktop and it’s a bit annoying
I’m sure there’s a guide for it. All you need is either lutris or bottles and flatseal if you’re installing on the SD card.
The problem that could occur is: Right now Microsoft doesn’t care about Linux or competitors, every OEM has to buy a Windows key anyways regardless. If SteamOS actually becomes a shippable option, Microsoft’s cavalier attitude is going to change quickly, and a lot sooner than it will take them to get an Xbox Handheld out the door.
Why would an OEM need to buy a Windows license if the customer has no interest in using Windows?
It’s in their licensing, and how MS-DOS became the de facto operating system of early PCs. If you want to license Windows, you have to pay for every unit you sell - not just units with Windows pre-installed, but every unit.
Incredible.
The deal Microsoft does with OEMs gives them a discount only if they pay Microsoft for every PC they sell, whether or not it actually comes with Windows.
Embrace, extend, and extinguish Microsoft’s gonna do what it does.
I don’t understand how that’s a problem. Can you go into a little bit more detail about what you think the consequences might be to manufacturers choosing to use Steam OS or some other Linux operating system on their handheld devices?
Ideally it would be better to see eventually a variety of OSs based on linux, maybe forks of steamOS.
But for the time being, definitely adopting steamOS would be better.
Well there is bazzite or chimera
or even nobara for steam deck
Are there more than just Steam Deck?
The next Ayaneo handheld is going to use SteamOS.
To clarify, not an official Valve version, just in case somebody is wondering.
It’s HoloISO or a modified version based on it, which is a Linux distro that bring most of SteamOS to other devices (except ones with Nvidia).
Is that reported somewhere? As in, we know for sure they didn’t get it from Valve?
Yeah AYANEO themselves confirmed it. It mentions HoloISO, although I think originally it didn’t and said SteamOS and some posts/comments etc did say otherwise due to that.
Thanks for the link!
It’s kinda more interesting that they are leveraging HoloISO rather than it just being a straight-up partnership with Valve.
That’s literally the second paragraph in the linked article. Do people not actually read the articles on here?
Yeah, they’re former Redditors. They don’t read past the titles.
A bunch of them saw Valve say “We’re coming out with a gaming PC that vaguely resembles an adult Nintendo Switch” and went “uh yeah us too!” I know Asus and Lenovo have one.
I think he meant more consoles with SteamOS.
There are many handheld PC gaming devices, however, none can match Steam Decks’ price with its performance.
How many actual PC handhelds are there?
The link in the article that promises “plenty” of handheld examples talks about Steam deck, Asus, and… the switch. And that’s it. And obviously the switch is not a PC handheld, so… ?There’s quite a few. Steam deck and Asus, as you mentioned, but there’s also AyaNeo, GPD, OneXPlayer, Aokzoe, Lenovo, etc. And many of these brands have several different models, if you’re counting individual products.
MSI just announced their handheld PC too, it has an Intel (Meteor Lake) CPU with Arc graphics.
Oh, good shout! That one looks 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Ah thanks.
How many of those do people actually use though?Valve was essentially LATE to the handheld market, they just had the technical and company will to do it the best.
And, most importantly, money bags to subsidise the hell out of it. Let’s not kid ourselves here, the damn low price is one of the main reasons why people buy the SD rather than the ~2x more expensive alternatives.
It helps they actually made their own OS to make it easier for people to get into. Windows really doesn’t work on those small screens
Not sure what you mean – they all run Linux. The images just have the video hardware configs baked in with a preconfigured user and start script. You would be amazed at how easy that is to do, all things considered. I have a few kiosk configurations I created for the two Home Assistant panels I have in my house.
I hear that.
But how many people actually use all of those other brands listed?
It’s ok to just say “no one” without downvoting.
All I’m hearing is crickets
Anecdotally, I have an Aya Neo. I know a few people with a few of the others brands. There’s a decently sized Aya Neo Discord that I’m part of, and I would assume the other brands have something similar. There’s definitely use of non-Steam handhelds, or there wouldn’t be a growing market for them.
Do you have a steam deck too?
I do not
Ah yes lemme whip out my magical sales numbers ball and let you know
Such as?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
We can only hope this is the start of a trend, as Valve’s gaming-focused operating system brings many advantages over gaming portables (and maybe desktops) that run a full Windows installation.
In an increasingly competitive portable PC gaming market, being able to cut out that significant cost over Windows-based alternatives could be a big deal.
Our review of the ROG Ally highlights just how annoying it can be to have to fiddle with Windows settings on a touchscreen running “an awkwardly scaled” version of the OS.
That comes through in many little ways, like a built-in “suspend” mode, tons of battery-optimization features, and menus that are designed for a small screen and joystick navigation.
That’s a huge change from the desktop-focused “Steam Machines” era of the mid-'10s, when early versions of SteamOS could only run the relative handful of games that developers bothered to explicitly port to Linux.
That’s also a huge change from the Steam Machines era, when Ars’ testing showed that many SteamOS games ran significantly worse than their Windows counterparts on the same desktop hardware.
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The article is not at all answering the headline
I wouldn’t ditch Windows entirely, but I could see the business case of making sure your game can run on SteamOS.
