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The other consoles are built for gaming and offering features that Valve hasn’t even announced for such.
Such as? Also are you implying the Steam Deck wasn’t built for gaming?
Moreover the steam deck being locked in the Steam ecosystem doesn’t help the “solved problems”. One company that is known for greedy developers is in control of Linux Proton.
You do know that you can install any launcher in the Steam Deck, right? Even Tim Sweeney praised this feature and he bad mouths Valve on almost everything.
Also, Proton is open source, anyone can fork and develop it independently of Valve. See “Glorious Eggroll”.
It’s clear what should have happened, the steam deck shouldn’t have existed.
What should have existed then?
Valve the billionaire company should’ve offered better alternative or find better hardware. We have computers in the size of a credit card and they decided a brick with unnecessary specs with uneven screen size is the best?
You’re just nitpicking now. The form factor isn’t ideal but it’s appropriate for running a full fledged PC.
They clearly didn’t care anything but cheap hardware and software that is free. The steamOS isn’t open source and you people are letting Valve make their money on free software.
OK, so what should they have done then. Please enlighten us.
The keyboard is awful, want to type something? You better press on the screen or have physical keyboard. One hand holds the steam deck the other requires touching the screen. Shouldn’t have to come to such annoying conclusions, oh and takes like a good portion of the screen like any android phone. The answer is the deck should not be bigger again the bigger device is the issue not the software offered by another company that only made it for desktop computers. You don’t hear android users complaining about their keyboard.
No you can not install any launcher, MMO games are going to block it. Genshin Impact blocked it, stop with the fake information.
SteamOS is not open source, Proton is a copy of wine. Valve has no business controlling your product but people are okay with it and the whole thing is mess up. A group believes in Corporate than Linux is not the future of Linux gaming.
No there’s nothing appropriate about your entire hand to hold on to brick sized plastic with good chance of breaking the glass. The usb for physical keyboard or mouse is poorly designed as you need it to power the device itself. Making people buy bluetooth devices is just speaking cheap or laziness in the design. You can’t make this stuff up, Valve thought a few extra plastic was too much or something. Oh the controller you know the thing gamers have to play the game. Well can’t recharge and use controllers if you’re using cables and were forced to buy/use bluetooth versions. A lot of batteries are used and throw in the trash because of Valve cheap design.
The “repair kit” is not easy and can break the hardware or system. Oh and Valve clearly never intended to be repaired because the battery and other components are tricky stuck in place. Android batteries and iPhones don’t have such problems but Valve took the cheap way for profit.
What you say isn’t entirely true, just because you can do it doesn’t mean others can. The repair to replace batteries is stick to the hardware. Loosely attached pads that Valve admits they were broken, etc.
Valve is a known liar, we have enough lawsuits where they lied about everything. They lied to AU gov, EU gov, USA gov and user base of TF2. You can not trust them with something like SteamOS becoming Open Source, it’s been a year and refuses to do anything.
Don’t try to think fancy words is better or something magical. Copying a software to only focus on games is still the same function of Wine. Infact Linux users often have better chances at Wine than Proton which disproves it’s a different function.
My point stands has anyone tried to use wireless devices. It’s not fun to randomly get problems that Linux can’t fix. Drivers for the devices are not good enough to be used. Yet you claim there’s nothing wrong with it?!? Oh and we shouldn’t forget how useless it becomes when using portable chargers because unless you’re spending $1000 in a real charger, the average person will have a charger with nearly no speed for depleted batteries. A whole lie people like you claim never happens but science doesn’t care about your own personal opinion.
There’s nothing worth believing or pretending to care about the Steam Deck, stop promoting and protecting the billion dollar company and learn to think for yourself.
Dude no offense but these visual novels/dialogue rpgs all look like something you could throw together in a few hours of Scratch or no-code engines and they all seem like almost exact replicas of each other. I could easily believe this involved 0 coding
Yeah mate Python code for bad copy-paste 2d games is so impressive, that really shows that you can read the low-level code used in things like Proton… LOL what a joke.
Python is literally known for being the easiest and most accessible programming language (that and Lua), EVERYONE can use Python. A game made in a game engine in Python nowadays can barely even be considered code when you compare it to something like C/C++ (which is what’s mainly used in Proton and most other similar types of projects BTW). If you were using it for data science work or something, I could take it seriously, but things like PyGame and RenPy make it so easy that people who haven’t coded in their lives could make what you made in just a few days, or less…
Bottom line is you 100% do NOT know what you’re talking about when it comes to actual software development. Especially since you apparently don’t know what a fork is and just call the open-source development “copying”. You’re spouting a bunch of BS about things you clearly don’t have any knowledge about or experience with and expecting other people to fall for it. It’s insulting you’re trying to act as if toys like extremely simple Python games can even be compared to even somewhat complicated low-level code.
I find it a lot better than the Switch, and I’m guessing the other devices have similar issues. The touchpads are about as good as I could expect for a device of this form factor.
No you can not install any launcher, MMO games are going to block it
You can install pretty much any launcher, but games with anti-cheat are likely not going to work. That’s not a Linux problem, it’s a game problem. Linux has solved the technical issues here as much as it can, and even MP games w/ anti-cheat are starting to work on Linux.
SteamOS is not open source
That depends on your definition of SteamOS. The base is all FOSS, so you can grab the graphic stack, kernel, etc and run with it. The UI Valve has made (I.e. the Steam client) is not FOSS, but that’s true of games as well, so I don’t really see what benefit the end user would have if Steam was FOSS but the games weren’t if they had issues with proprietary software.
If you want, you could even uninstall all the proprietary stuff from a Steam Deck since it’s just a fork of Arch Linux under the hood.
No there’s nothing appropriate about your entire hand to hold on to brick sized plastic with good chance of breaking the glass
Uh, what? I’ve never had anything remotely close to the problem you’ve described. I either hold it with one grip, or I grip it on the back of the device. How am I going to break the glass?
Or are you just complaining about the size? I think it’s fine, it’s a lot more comfortable to use than my Switch, and there’s really not much you can do to get that ergonomics in a smaller package w/o sacrificing screen size.
The usb for physical keyboard or mouse is poorly designed as you need it to power the device itself
Just get a USB hub. If you’re going to use it with keyboard and mouse, you’ll want some kind of dock or hub anyway. Any off-the-shelf hub should work just fine, just get something with enough power passthrough so you can charge while gaming.
A lot of batteries are used and throw in the trash because of Valve cheap design.
What do you mean? I mostly use the built-in controller, and my other controllers can charge just fine through a USB hub. I’m not sure what you’re getting at here.
the battery and other components are tricky stuck in place
Just the battery, and that’s true for pretty much every other small device with a battery. Batteries need to be stable, and the easiest way to do that is to glue it in place. This can absolutely be better, and apparently Valve reduced the amount of glue on the new Steam Deck OLED.
And yes, most Android and iPhones have that exact same problem, phone repair places have been complaining for ages about glued-in batteries. iPhone is even worse in that it pairs a lot of the components to the device, so you need their software to program replacement parts (not sure if it’s available yet, but that was a huge complaint about their repair program). The Steam Deck does no such nonsense, everything is just a standard PCB, though the glue on the battery does suck (again, par for the course for small devices).
Valve took the cheap way for profit
I doubt the Steam Deck is directly profitable. If you look at other devices with similar hardware, they tend to go for at least $100 more than the Deck, and they don’t nearly as much custom software (just an app on Windows).
The consensus in the community is that Steam is investing in SteamOS and Steam Deck in order to sell more games and create a viable alternative to Windows, not to make profit on the hardware. Gabe Newell himself described the price point as “painful”, so I doubt they’re turning much of a profit, if at all.
SteamOS being open source would solve a lot of problems including the keyboard. Users should be allowed to customize their U.I has any Linux operating system. There’s no reason why they shouldn’t.
Again you should not trust Valve for anything. There’s enough lawsuits to prove they lied to everyone. Gabe is part of the list of liars, claiming better Steam Deck and after a year it’s a joke performance.
I’m not sure how this is implemented, but it’s possible it already is FOSS, since it’s probably part of the KDE ecosystem. I’m not sure though, I haven’t bothered to look since the keyboard works really well for me.
As for the UI, users don’t have the ability to customize the Steam client on Linux because that is proprietary, though running Steam doesn’t prevent them from customizing the desktop. The same is true on the Deck, you can customize anything on the desktop you want, you just can’t customize the Steam client.
joke performance
Citation needed. I have not had any issues with performance, and it’s actually exceeded my expectations.
Such as? Also are you implying the Steam Deck wasn’t built for gaming?
You do know that you can install any launcher in the Steam Deck, right? Even Tim Sweeney praised this feature and he bad mouths Valve on almost everything.
Also, Proton is open source, anyone can fork and develop it independently of Valve. See “Glorious Eggroll”.
What should have existed then?
You’re just nitpicking now. The form factor isn’t ideal but it’s appropriate for running a full fledged PC.
OK, so what should they have done then. Please enlighten us.
The keyboard is awful, want to type something? You better press on the screen or have physical keyboard. One hand holds the steam deck the other requires touching the screen. Shouldn’t have to come to such annoying conclusions, oh and takes like a good portion of the screen like any android phone. The answer is the deck should not be bigger again the bigger device is the issue not the software offered by another company that only made it for desktop computers. You don’t hear android users complaining about their keyboard.
No you can not install any launcher, MMO games are going to block it. Genshin Impact blocked it, stop with the fake information.
SteamOS is not open source, Proton is a copy of wine. Valve has no business controlling your product but people are okay with it and the whole thing is mess up. A group believes in Corporate than Linux is not the future of Linux gaming.
No there’s nothing appropriate about your entire hand to hold on to brick sized plastic with good chance of breaking the glass. The usb for physical keyboard or mouse is poorly designed as you need it to power the device itself. Making people buy bluetooth devices is just speaking cheap or laziness in the design. You can’t make this stuff up, Valve thought a few extra plastic was too much or something. Oh the controller you know the thing gamers have to play the game. Well can’t recharge and use controllers if you’re using cables and were forced to buy/use bluetooth versions. A lot of batteries are used and throw in the trash because of Valve cheap design.
The “repair kit” is not easy and can break the hardware or system. Oh and Valve clearly never intended to be repaired because the battery and other components are tricky stuck in place. Android batteries and iPhones don’t have such problems but Valve took the cheap way for profit.
You can type on the deck using the touch pads. It’s easy.
Genshin didn’t block it, the launcher is just a Windows-only kernel level rootkit. Like most other launchers that don’t work.
SteamOS it’s planned to be released to the community separately sometime.
Proton is a FORK of wine.
Physical keyboard and mouse is easily done through a dock.
Your whole batteries and controller rant is just wrong and stupid.
Your repair concerns are also wrong and stupid. I replaced the entire shell of my steam deck without breaking any part.
You really seem to hate the steam deck in a way I can only characterize as irrational and pointless.
What you say isn’t entirely true, just because you can do it doesn’t mean others can. The repair to replace batteries is stick to the hardware. Loosely attached pads that Valve admits they were broken, etc.
Valve is a known liar, we have enough lawsuits where they lied about everything. They lied to AU gov, EU gov, USA gov and user base of TF2. You can not trust them with something like SteamOS becoming Open Source, it’s been a year and refuses to do anything.
Don’t try to think fancy words is better or something magical. Copying a software to only focus on games is still the same function of Wine. Infact Linux users often have better chances at Wine than Proton which disproves it’s a different function.
My point stands has anyone tried to use wireless devices. It’s not fun to randomly get problems that Linux can’t fix. Drivers for the devices are not good enough to be used. Yet you claim there’s nothing wrong with it?!? Oh and we shouldn’t forget how useless it becomes when using portable chargers because unless you’re spending $1000 in a real charger, the average person will have a charger with nearly no speed for depleted batteries. A whole lie people like you claim never happens but science doesn’t care about your own personal opinion.
There’s nothing worth believing or pretending to care about the Steam Deck, stop promoting and protecting the billion dollar company and learn to think for yourself.
Lol, you’re like a real life version of the “stop having fun!” meme.
LMAO you’ve literally never touched a piece of code in your entire life and it shows
Dude i make games, they are freely accessible and used many programs. You have nothing to show for.
https://firecat.itch.io/
Dude no offense but these visual novels/dialogue rpgs all look like something you could throw together in a few hours of Scratch or no-code engines and they all seem like almost exact replicas of each other. I could easily believe this involved 0 coding
Python is a real programming language and you can’t ignore the 3D games from game engines not from unity.
Yeah mate Python code for bad copy-paste 2d games is so impressive, that really shows that you can read the low-level code used in things like Proton… LOL what a joke.
Python is literally known for being the easiest and most accessible programming language (that and Lua), EVERYONE can use Python. A game made in a game engine in Python nowadays can barely even be considered code when you compare it to something like C/C++ (which is what’s mainly used in Proton and most other similar types of projects BTW). If you were using it for data science work or something, I could take it seriously, but things like PyGame and RenPy make it so easy that people who haven’t coded in their lives could make what you made in just a few days, or less…
Bottom line is you 100% do NOT know what you’re talking about when it comes to actual software development. Especially since you apparently don’t know what a fork is and just call the open-source development “copying”. You’re spouting a bunch of BS about things you clearly don’t have any knowledge about or experience with and expecting other people to fall for it. It’s insulting you’re trying to act as if toys like extremely simple Python games can even be compared to even somewhat complicated low-level code.
I find it a lot better than the Switch, and I’m guessing the other devices have similar issues. The touchpads are about as good as I could expect for a device of this form factor.
You can install pretty much any launcher, but games with anti-cheat are likely not going to work. That’s not a Linux problem, it’s a game problem. Linux has solved the technical issues here as much as it can, and even MP games w/ anti-cheat are starting to work on Linux.
That depends on your definition of SteamOS. The base is all FOSS, so you can grab the graphic stack, kernel, etc and run with it. The UI Valve has made (I.e. the Steam client) is not FOSS, but that’s true of games as well, so I don’t really see what benefit the end user would have if Steam was FOSS but the games weren’t if they had issues with proprietary software.
If you want, you could even uninstall all the proprietary stuff from a Steam Deck since it’s just a fork of Arch Linux under the hood.
Uh, what? I’ve never had anything remotely close to the problem you’ve described. I either hold it with one grip, or I grip it on the back of the device. How am I going to break the glass?
Or are you just complaining about the size? I think it’s fine, it’s a lot more comfortable to use than my Switch, and there’s really not much you can do to get that ergonomics in a smaller package w/o sacrificing screen size.
Just get a USB hub. If you’re going to use it with keyboard and mouse, you’ll want some kind of dock or hub anyway. Any off-the-shelf hub should work just fine, just get something with enough power passthrough so you can charge while gaming.
What do you mean? I mostly use the built-in controller, and my other controllers can charge just fine through a USB hub. I’m not sure what you’re getting at here.
Just the battery, and that’s true for pretty much every other small device with a battery. Batteries need to be stable, and the easiest way to do that is to glue it in place. This can absolutely be better, and apparently Valve reduced the amount of glue on the new Steam Deck OLED.
And yes, most Android and iPhones have that exact same problem, phone repair places have been complaining for ages about glued-in batteries. iPhone is even worse in that it pairs a lot of the components to the device, so you need their software to program replacement parts (not sure if it’s available yet, but that was a huge complaint about their repair program). The Steam Deck does no such nonsense, everything is just a standard PCB, though the glue on the battery does suck (again, par for the course for small devices).
I doubt the Steam Deck is directly profitable. If you look at other devices with similar hardware, they tend to go for at least $100 more than the Deck, and they don’t nearly as much custom software (just an app on Windows).
The consensus in the community is that Steam is investing in SteamOS and Steam Deck in order to sell more games and create a viable alternative to Windows, not to make profit on the hardware. Gabe Newell himself described the price point as “painful”, so I doubt they’re turning much of a profit, if at all.
SteamOS being open source would solve a lot of problems including the keyboard. Users should be allowed to customize their U.I has any Linux operating system. There’s no reason why they shouldn’t.
Again you should not trust Valve for anything. There’s enough lawsuits to prove they lied to everyone. Gabe is part of the list of liars, claiming better Steam Deck and after a year it’s a joke performance.
I’m not sure how this is implemented, but it’s possible it already is FOSS, since it’s probably part of the KDE ecosystem. I’m not sure though, I haven’t bothered to look since the keyboard works really well for me.
As for the UI, users don’t have the ability to customize the Steam client on Linux because that is proprietary, though running Steam doesn’t prevent them from customizing the desktop. The same is true on the Deck, you can customize anything on the desktop you want, you just can’t customize the Steam client.
Citation needed. I have not had any issues with performance, and it’s actually exceeded my expectations.