An oldie, but a goodie

  • Diplomjodler@feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    You can be direct and call out bullshit without swearing and name calling. While the content of this sounds reasonable, the tone definitely isn’t. If someone talked to me like that I’d tell them to fuck right off.

    • arc@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      Yes you could but he didn’t and clearly his style was self evidently effective. And I’d add that if you’ve ever read the LKML archives, that these rants were rare and usually preceded by long chains of discussion before it reached that point.

      • Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz
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        Doesn’t make it right. Michael Jackson’s dad abused his kids and they became world famous artists, doesn’t mean abusing your kids is acceptable or should be seen as such.

            • Pyro@lemmy.world
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              Except it’s not a distinction at all.

              analogy (n.) - a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.

              • Claidheamh@slrpnk.net
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                Of course it is. A square is also a rectangle but it’s still an important distinction.

            • arc@lemm.ee
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              It’s a rotten analogy. Comparing Linus having a go at some volunteers is not analogous, or comparable to a father abusing kids.

              • Claidheamh@slrpnk.net
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                The analogy is that the end result doesn’t justify the behaviour from the person in power. It’s apt.

      • deweydecibel@lemmy.world
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        Yes you could but he didn’t and clearly his style was self evidently effective.

        Depends on how you define “effective”. Because by his own admission, it gets shit done, but also alienates people in the project and turns off others from joining it.

        So yeah, you’ll get the update pushed, and it’ll work, but down the line you find yourself struggling to keep up without the help of people that don’t want to work with you.

        Linus’ mistake is a classic one: really self-sufficient tech person doing fantastic work with a team but not appreciating that there’s a whole social layer to it that is every bit as important as the standards and procedures at keeping everything working.

        • arc@lemm.ee
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          I define effective by the fact it was self evidently effective. No need to split hairs or dissemble here. Linux is objectively, indisputably the most important piece of code in the world. Everything else, such as a the context free boo hoo about some times when he has had a go at people is just noise.

    • Koordinator O@lemmy.world
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      Sure you can. But the evidence i see in my immediate vicinity is that informations go in through one ear and straight out through the other without holding on to anything if presented in in a none swearing or name calling manner. It hurts but it works.

      • uis@lemmy.world
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        I went to LKML for context, so I return with context.

        When 3.8-rc1 was released, “Rafael J. Wysocki” reported 100% CPU usage by knotify4(part of KDE) on OpenSUSE Thubleweed with pulseaudio as audio server.

        At which Mauro Carvalho Chehab replies starting with blaming pulseaudio(why? Srsly, why? I don’t like it, but this is just troll behaviour) and saying pulseaudio(which is NOT knotify4) should not try to use V4L2.

        This shitty behaviour ignites Linus’ back and he replies with mentioned in post message.