I don’t know any, unfortunately. I just really don’t want to use a car nowadays. Huge taxes and maintenance costs, compulsory microphone on the inside (for emergency calls), almost always internet connection through wireless, often cameras and additional mics on the inside, license plate readers both recording where you go but possibly even who sits in your seats and doing face recognition on them.
Seriously I’m fed up with this world. heads need to fall for any of these to get fixed.
Without some serious ECM re-programming from someone that knows what they’re doing (which is very unlikely), probably not. Pretty sure they’re referencing OBDII protocol (or whatever the current standard is) in this context.
Having said that, it’s probably only an issue when taking to the dealer for anything. Your everyday, local mechanic likely only cares about the diagnostic codes that might be active and point to the issue at hand.
yeah OBD and whatever maker-specific extensions, because lots of things only work that way
Having said that, it’s probably only an issue when taking to the dealer for anything. Your everyday, local mechanic likely only cares about the diagnostic codes that might be active and point to the issue at hand.
used to be! but nowadays manufacturers are upgrading their diag software with DRM, that these tools refuse to work without internet. and this has been going for years now as I know. and sometimes the mechanic needs to pull up that diag software, because the other one does not tell enough, or maybe they are just always using that because it’s easier for them
Yes, but when there are recalls that need to be handled by the dealership they will get your data.
Honestly, it isn’t a huge deal to me other than the fact that there’s no way around it. You pay 10s of thousands of dollars for something, yet you still don’t fully own it.
Well, shit.
Any way around that?
I don’t know any, unfortunately. I just really don’t want to use a car nowadays. Huge taxes and maintenance costs, compulsory microphone on the inside (for emergency calls), almost always internet connection through wireless, often cameras and additional mics on the inside, license plate readers both recording where you go but possibly even who sits in your seats and doing face recognition on them.
Seriously I’m fed up with this world. heads need to fall for any of these to get fixed.
Without some serious ECM re-programming from someone that knows what they’re doing (which is very unlikely), probably not. Pretty sure they’re referencing OBDII protocol (or whatever the current standard is) in this context.
Having said that, it’s probably only an issue when taking to the dealer for anything. Your everyday, local mechanic likely only cares about the diagnostic codes that might be active and point to the issue at hand.
yeah OBD and whatever maker-specific extensions, because lots of things only work that way
used to be! but nowadays manufacturers are upgrading their diag software with DRM, that these tools refuse to work without internet. and this has been going for years now as I know. and sometimes the mechanic needs to pull up that diag software, because the other one does not tell enough, or maybe they are just always using that because it’s easier for them
Blegh, of course that’s becoming the case. Confirms my choice to keep my '97 up and running as long as I can and bike everywhere possible.
Yes, but when there are recalls that need to be handled by the dealership they will get your data.
Honestly, it isn’t a huge deal to me other than the fact that there’s no way around it. You pay 10s of thousands of dollars for something, yet you still don’t fully own it.
and it even spies on you for commercial data mining and whatever other reasons!
but what I said is not only a concern with the dealer’s repair shop, see my other response to their comment