I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I’m an idiot.

  • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 days ago

    I mean the whole reason why you are confused is that this is the most complex conflict in the world and here (like everywhere else) you are going to get responses in both directions. I suggest you read what each side has to say for itself: for unconditional pro-Israeli propaganda I suggest https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/ and for unconditional pro-Palestinian propaganda I suggest https://mondoweiss.net/ – read both of these and decide for yourself what arguments on both sides you believe more.

    I do not think there are any truly good guys in the conflict; but I do think that Israel is worse and tend to side with the Palestinians. This is mainly because Israel is the side with vastly more power and I think it’s up to the powerful, the oppressor, to try to treat the people they have power over with dignity and try to give up the power they have.

    Of course, even that argument of mine has a counter-argument! You can (and should!) read it here: https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2016/07/the-parameters-of-discussion-michael.html

    • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
      182·
      2 days ago

      Mondoweiss isn’t unconditional pro-Palestine propaganda. It’s a well-sourced pro-Palestinian news site.

        • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
          81·
          2 days ago

          Maybe provide examples? I see nothing that would prevent me from saying that with a straight face. There, lemme just…

          Mondoweiss isn’t unconditional pro-Palestine propaganda. It’s a well-sourced pro-Palestinian news site.

            • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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              2 days ago

              So omission bias? All this fanfare for omission bias? Nobody is using Mondoweiss as their primary news source; they have no reason to report on everything, especially an event like Nova music festival was reported on by everyone and their mother.

              • belastend@slrpnk.net
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                2 days ago

                Mondoweiss is using the same kind of euphemisms around the 7.10 that the rest of the press is using for Israels crimes.

    • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
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      2 days ago

      It is not complex at all, it is just genocidal settler colonialism and resistance to it. “Complexity” is just a proxy for being uncomfortable acknowledging this, which is something you should do some introspection on as someone from a German instance. Ever hear of the Holocaust? Of Lebensraum?

      Never again means never again for anyone.

      • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
        12·
        2 days ago

        The thing is that I actually mostly agree with you, but I do not think that the other side is entirely illegitimate.

        • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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          2 days ago

          What legitimacy do you see in Israeli Apartheid? Because, long story short, that’s what the Israeli side is selling.

          • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
            11·
            2 days ago

            I’m not here for a drawn out debate. I think Israel’s settlement program is a major reason why there is no peace and I would find Israel a lot easier to defend if they weren’t doing it. It is only one piece of the puzzle though.