Gnome Foundation likes to think of themselves as the pioneer in DE’s and the default choice for Linux. Which was true for a long time. Cinnamon and Mate run Gnome, for example. I’m not sure about XFCE.
If you’re THE leading DE project at least try to accommodate those DE’s that depend on your code or meet with them to inform them well in advance and discuss the best options for those DE’s.
In other words, work together for the good of all users instead of doing your own little thing in the corner and leave the others to deal with the mess you made…
I think the topic of LibAdwaita was discussed plenty when shit hit the fan 2-3 years ago. Downstream developers can’t act all innocent and misinformed now when there was a huge drama between Budgie and GNOME upon LibAdwaita’s announcement.
GNOME developers repeatedly asked downstream developers to stop theming their apps which was generating endless bug reports for issues not caused by upstream code and none of them bothered to listen to them or work with them on a fix. Their choice of developing their own widget kit is a wise one because they’d otherwise still be wasting valuable developer time on fixing issues they should not be responsible for.
When one doesn’t take “no” for an answer, you’d have to forcibly make them stop. Just my two cents 🤷🏻♂️
If you’re THE leading DE project at least try to accommodate those DE’s that depend on your code or meet with them to inform them well in advance and discuss the best options for those DE’s.
It’s always easy to say that other people should do more work to benefit others. Libawaita isn’t anything new. It was announced loads of times.
In other words, work together for the good of all users
That the current status isn’t what you want isn’t the same as not working together. Further, there’s usually a limited amount of time and attention.
Within Linux there’s loads and loads of opinions. Loads of different desktop environments. That complexity cost development time. Time that isn’t infinite. Again, it seems to easy to direct how others should spend their time and/or to argue that they aren’t doing enough for your liking.
They are not pioneers, they are Microsoft funded group (at the beginning, at least) with task to slow down desktop Linux adoption. KDE, even then, was better than MS Windows.
Before you downvote me, check the guy named Miguel De Icaza
They are not pioneers, they are Microsoft funded group (at the beginning, at least)
In the beginning in 1997 GNOME was a direct response to KDE using Qt toolkit with a license that GNU with RMS did not like at all. Not sure why you mention Microsoft and funded ? When I search for it I see that M$ gave 10K to GNOME in 2022, more than two decades later.
Gnome Foundation likes to think of themselves as the pioneer in DE’s and the default choice for Linux. Which was true for a long time. Cinnamon and Mate run Gnome, for example. I’m not sure about XFCE.
If you’re THE leading DE project at least try to accommodate those DE’s that depend on your code or meet with them to inform them well in advance and discuss the best options for those DE’s.
In other words, work together for the good of all users instead of doing your own little thing in the corner and leave the others to deal with the mess you made…
I think the topic of LibAdwaita was discussed plenty when shit hit the fan 2-3 years ago. Downstream developers can’t act all innocent and misinformed now when there was a huge drama between Budgie and GNOME upon LibAdwaita’s announcement.
GNOME developers repeatedly asked downstream developers to stop theming their apps which was generating endless bug reports for issues not caused by upstream code and none of them bothered to listen to them or work with them on a fix. Their choice of developing their own widget kit is a wise one because they’d otherwise still be wasting valuable developer time on fixing issues they should not be responsible for.
When one doesn’t take “no” for an answer, you’d have to forcibly make them stop. Just my two cents 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you for that context. I was unaware of that.
I certainly get your point. If downstream won’t engage constructively then upstream is free to do what they feel is right.
It’s always easy to say that other people should do more work to benefit others. Libawaita isn’t anything new. It was announced loads of times.
That the current status isn’t what you want isn’t the same as not working together. Further, there’s usually a limited amount of time and attention.
Within Linux there’s loads and loads of opinions. Loads of different desktop environments. That complexity cost development time. Time that isn’t infinite. Again, it seems to easy to direct how others should spend their time and/or to argue that they aren’t doing enough for your liking.
Indeed.
Someone else replied to me with fantastic context I want aware of.
Here’s their reply: https://lemmy.world/comment/9847230
It seems Gnome did try to work with downstream but the engagement wasn’t there.
They are not pioneers, they are Microsoft funded group (at the beginning, at least) with task to slow down desktop Linux adoption. KDE, even then, was better than MS Windows. Before you downvote me, check the guy named Miguel De Icaza
In the beginning in 1997 GNOME was a direct response to KDE using Qt toolkit with a license that GNU with RMS did not like at all. Not sure why you mention Microsoft and funded ? When I search for it I see that M$ gave 10K to GNOME in 2022, more than two decades later.
I was there back then, saw what MS did to BeOS and other competition. GNOME is slowing desktop Linux down all this time… People shold wake up already…
So was I never saw MS involved. Gnome and GTK was in response to QT.
It is entirely possible to do something in secrecy, you know? Read Muigel’s bio, especially last part where he spits on his creation.