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    10 months ago

    Historians studying them don’t hate, true, but we also don’t hate plague or dog shit on the road.

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      10 months ago

      That’s a bit of a non-answer, isn’t it? I’m clearly referring to implementing leftist structures today, not historically.

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        10 months ago

        Never tried for real, I see.

        Why would one hate right ideas then, of the libertarian kind.

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          10 months ago

          Read my other comment, it absolutely has been tried. If your point is that the relatively few historical examples are a sufficient sampling of data to determine that people sharing tools can never work, then I’m afraid you don’t understand numbers, nor historical analysis.

          You can learn from what has and has not worked, and analyze structures. It’s possible! You just have to do it.

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            10 months ago

            If your point is …

            You know, of course, that the answer to that “if” is usually “no”, and this is called a strawman argument.

            … then I’m afraid …

            No reason to be afraid! Sing and dance and hug your family, friends and house animals.

            … relatively few historical examples … people sharing tools …

            People have been sharing tools since eating less fortunate breeds of people, the optimal architecture of that is the point of contention.

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                    10 months ago

                    Leaving it open is a valid political position of making efficiency more important than ideology.

                    I don’t know which architectures may be invented in the future to work, I’m not against them coming from leftist premises, but I’ve met fewer leftists interested in even imagining them than libertarians or even conservatives.

                    When most leftists are too busy with hating on groups of people and thinking about what others own, it’s really hard to talk to them about anything real.