(Reposted in this community cuz I didn’t get any responses in the original community that I posted this under)
This is how I understand the communist utopia: Workers seize means of production. Means of production thus, start working for the proletariat masses rather than the bourgeoisie class. Thus, technological progress stops being stifled and flourishes. Humanity achieves a post scarcity-like environment for most goods and services. Thus, money becomes irrelevant at a personal level.
In all this, I can’t see how we stop needing a state. How can we build bridges without a body capable of large scale organisation? How would we have a space program without a state for example? I clearly have gotten many things wrong here. However, I’m unable to find what I’ve gotten wrong on my own. Plz help <3
Edit: Okay, got a very clear and sensible answer from @Aidinthel@reddthat.com. Unfortunately, I don’t know how to link their comment. Hence, here is what they said:
Depends on how you define “state”. IIRC, Marx drew a distinction between “state” and “government”, where the former is all the coercive institutions (cops, prisons, courts, etc). In this framework, you need a “government” to do the things you refer to, but participation in that government’s activities should be voluntary, without the threat of armed government agents showing up at your door if you don’t comply.
Pardon my limited knowledge, but not all communists believe in stateless societies. You’re probably talking about anarchists, but they’re not just limited to communists. There’s also anarcho-capitalist. At least from what I think, people want to strive for governance at the local-most levels. Could be something similar to the panchayat system that we have in India.
Anarcho-capitalism is just a can of worms. Capital represents power hence an uneven allocation of them, i.e. capitalism, is incompatible with anarchism.
From what they’re trying to attempt, it looks like either they’re striving for “good old days of slavery” or trying to create their own cult, like just like they do it in the movie The Other Lamb.
movie spoiler (you might want to not read this for your own sanity)
It’s about a “shepherd”, the leader of the polygamous, incest-sexual cult, impregnating a bunch of woman, culling the boy children, and in turn, impregnating their daughters, and killing the woman when they turn old, something like that.
Yes. Incoherent ideologies like this are often just covering up some really bad ideas.
I can’t imagine wanting to be ruled by corporations.
Well, the communist utopia is stateless, no?
Actually, I can’t answer that, as I’m not well-educated on politics. But states don’t necessarily have to be large, do they? Like for example, let’s take a small village, governed by some local head. It has to complete some transactions with a nearby municipality for transporting fruits and stuff, in exchange for some service. What becomes of the village? Is it now a micro-state conducting deal with another micro-state? Maybe I’m mixing the barter system here too, I guess.