In an ongoing escalation of its fight against online sports piracy, media giant Canal+ secured court orders compelling DNS providers Quad9 and Vercara to block access to pirate streaming sites in France. Quad9 says that it’s determined to appeal what it sees as an absurd application of copyright law. For now, however, it will block the targeted domain names globally.
@Joker Do we need to start running our own DNS servers?
Yesterday.
I already can’t do half the things I’m trying to do on my network, now I gotta figure out DNS?!?
Nah it’s not really hard. Look at unbound. If you have pihole already, adding unbound is really very easy.
i have pihole, will add unbound to my todo list
Can’t you use adguard dns?
Technitium is really nice too
Well, there’s the ALFIS project
Block the French government. Done.
It has been blocked and will be blocked again soon.
Canal has always been a terrible company from as far as I can remember. They had the best programs sure but their ultra-capitalist methods, the fact they were always involved with whatever scandal/corporate abuse and at the time the only channel you had to pay for always turned me off. Especially since France had great public TV and other private channels available for free.
Time to change to ipv6 ip that not change? Then dns not necessary, not even domain registrar.
What even different to go after domain registrar? If domain unregistered, same result as block on all dns globally?
Huh? Dns and ipv4 are two different things. You’re probably thinking of NAT.
There so many ipv6 adress no need to change. Dns for get ip from hostname and update ip if change.
Ipv4 not enough adress, so always change, not need with ipv6.
DNS exists so you don’t have to learn a bunch of IP addresses. Changing to ipv6 doesn’t fix that.
But dns also for dynamic ip. See DynDNS or load-leveling algorithm for choosing CDN in proximity. ipv6 fix that.
That doesn’t get rid of the need for DNS. And ipv6 won’t get rid of the need to load balance using dns.
Why not? If ip + domain in /etc/hosts and ip not change, what need dns for?
Also can load balance by http 302 redirect if server overloaded. Maybe not as good, but should work?
Because 99.9% of people are not going to maintain a hosts file, and don’t even know it exists. Not to mention you’d have to already know the IP of the sites you wanted to visit.
You’re basically arguing that phone books are a bad thing because people can just keep an address book.
BS solution that doesnt apply to the problem.
Problem: The DNS doesnt resolve the domain anymore so https://www.foo.bar/ resolves to 0.0.0.0
Solution: Change domain or directly connect via the IP.
Problem 2: What’s the IP if you can’t resolve it first. There aint telephone books anymore.Solution: while not dns block, write down domain + ip in /etc/hosts.
There aint telephone books anymore.
What is megathread then? Put ip there, then do /etc/hosts solution.
I am thinking more about a general “phone book” and not a specialized section in the yellow pages.
Amd connecting to google via IP is not possible. Same for other companies and organizations that utilize obfuscation of the actual servers like reverse proxies and load-balancers.But we talk about solution for dns poison of website. Not dns death in general.
Huh? We are talking about a dns provider being ordered to resolve a domain.
Ah, that’s annoying. I’ve had to switch from Real Debrid (turns out RD was run by cunts anyways, so good riddance) and now Quad9. Sucks, they had better response times than most DNS I tested.
dns0.eu is a French non‑profit organization
If this whole topic is about enforcing french block lists , I don’t think a French org is that good of an alternative. Not that it necessarily makes it a bad alternative right now.
/edit: Changed wording from French companies to french block lists
What’s the story with Real Debrid?
Owners acted very childish when people understandably sought out refunds, basically. Refusal to refund, acting as if they never supported piracy and it’s all our fault, threats about giving french gov logs, stuff like that.
Okay, I see. I’d say they might be obligated to behave that way to maintain plausible deniability. Like, if they admit they were selling a piracy service and users are entitled to a refund when the piracy gets stopped, then they become more culpable. It was always based on a thinly veiled deniability. They had to comply with occasional takedown requests for this reason.
I don’t know what the laws are like in France but they may have been worried about jail time or extra fines, and the state would want them to not issue refunds because that would punish the pirates.
Plus if you tried to sue them for it… what are the courts going to say? “You’re all pirates, get lost” is the best outcome you could hope for. I hate to say it but the de jure reality is that you were purchasing a grey-market product and the law won’t protect you in that case, and you quite literally were not purchasing a piracy service. You were purchasing hosting of torrents of an unspecified nature. That’s the risk you take on when you engage in what you have admitted is piracy. It’s very naive to expect you’re getting any kind of consumer guarantee in that case.
I say that as someone who uses these services. I’m not saying this is right, I think copyright should be abolished, but we need to understand the reality of the system we’re under.
Does this explain why torrentgalaxy has been unreachable for a couple days on my end? Hope they ain’t on the domain list and that I don’t have to change DNS (due to laziness over everything else).
I think this is the 3rd or 4th time this has happened to quad9 and the 2nd successful time (they also were forced to poison their DNS by the Italian government).
